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America is ALREADY in a recession that could be as bad as 2008: Dartmouth College prof David Blanchflower warns that the real state of the economy has been skewed by Biden's huge unemployment payments
Daily Mail ^ | 10.18.21 | Ross Ibbetson

Posted on 10/20/2021 9:56:59 AM PDT by Boomer

America has already slipped into a recession that could be as bad as the 2008 financial meltdown according to key consumer data, a Dartmouth College professor has warned.

David Blanchflower, of Dartmouth, and Alex Bryson, of University College London, say that every slump since the 1980s has been foreshadowed by 10-point drops in consumer indices from the Conference Board and University of Michigan.

The indices are drawn from questions put to ordinary Americans about their income expectations, employment conditions and what they expect for the US economy in the near future.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bidenomics; blanchflower
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To: setter

Not in California either. Extended to mid 2022 for most cities.


21 posted on 10/20/2021 10:32:42 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: setter

And from what I heard, there are many 100,000s of eviction suits filed. They are on pause. When that ends, it will take years to clear the cases.


22 posted on 10/20/2021 10:33:56 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine

As for your business..anything that does repairs to machinery/equipment/cars will do well.

Still, what do they now include to estimate inflation? Food? Cars? Gasoline/fuel/energy? etc?
What did they include in the late 1970s?


23 posted on 10/20/2021 10:34:53 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

fed has painted itself into a corner with congress’ help

inflation will run unabated


24 posted on 10/20/2021 10:37:17 AM PDT by joshua c (Dump the LEFT. Cable tv, Big tech, national name brands)
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To: Old West Conservative

“and you were doing so well with your cherry-picking of economic data points — until you got to the end there”

We are going through some fairly decent times right now irregardless of inflation.

To compare this to a recession is laughable. Jobs are plentiful, The millennial couple down the road just bought their first house at a low interest rate. Not 15-18% like back in the early 80’s.

People are upgrading to higher paying jobs.

Doom and gloomers want to wallow in unhappiness.


25 posted on 10/20/2021 10:37:18 AM PDT by setter
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To: monkeyshine

“I figure the supply chain issues will sort out in the next year or so.”

No they wont. Because the cost of diesel is so high, the trucking firms will fold. They cant pay higher wages BECAUSE of fuel/tire/repair costs.

The “New” trucks run half the time the older mechanical trucks ran. One little sensor goes bad and the truck shuts down. Air filter getting plugged? Well it warns you, you have a certain amount of time to correct it, dont correct it and the truck shuts down. Or the engine blows.


26 posted on 10/20/2021 10:39:24 AM PDT by crz
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To: Boomer

At some point, the crap will hit the fan from government overborrowing and increased welfare combined with higher unemployment.


27 posted on 10/20/2021 10:43:28 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: monkeyshine

“And from what I heard, there are many 100,000s of eviction suits filed. They are on pause. When that ends, it will take years to clear the cases.”

I am a landlord and belong to some fb landlord groups. Tenants out of nowhere are finding money to pay back rent or at least pay extra payments.

Seec WSJ article below.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mass-evictions-didnt-result-after-u-s-ban-ended-despite-fears-11634203800


28 posted on 10/20/2021 10:44:10 AM PDT by setter
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To: setter

That’s good to hear. I have an old friend, elderly lady who owns a couple of properties. One of them is a 3 bedroom condo in a fairly posh area. The tenant just refuses. $4000 a month. My friend needs that money as her income. She has had no income for nearly 2 years on that property. There is no way the tenant will ever pay a little extra later on, she won’t even pay half now. And the tenant is protected by city law for 6 more months.

Nice landlords would be understanding and work it out some way or another. Nice tenants would try.


29 posted on 10/20/2021 10:48:45 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: crz

I hear you. It may take longer but eventually the backlogs will clear. But yes you are right about the trucks. Those regulations and the controlling impulses of heavy-equipment makers need changing. It takes something like 10,000 trucks turns to haul off one container ship. (one container = one truck x 10,000-30,000 containers per ship). Well there will be 100+ ships in Los Angeles this weekend alone. Even if they could haul them all where can they put them? How to get them to their destination? Resources are either not available or are regulated out of the opportunity.

Local hauling is also a huge bottleneck. I shipped half a trailer of goods using a major carrier. It took 3 days before they could pick it up in the local route. It arrived at the hub four states away in 3 days (1 day faster than estimated) and then sat in the hub 11 days. They couldn’t get enough drivers to deliver my shipment just a few miles from their hub.


30 posted on 10/20/2021 11:02:42 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Boomer

The economy has been skewed, ....and screwed.


31 posted on 10/20/2021 11:02:57 AM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: crz

They won’t raise interest rates until after the midterms. Democrat corruption runs to all departments - it’s NOT what’s best for the country - it’s what’s best for the democrat party. And what’s best for the democrat party is to hold off raising rates..


32 posted on 10/20/2021 11:14:41 AM PDT by GOPJ (Military suicide deaths last year: 580- By COVID:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOC_dcuJO48)
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To: Boomer

Their problem is debt. Their solution is inflation.


33 posted on 10/20/2021 11:33:25 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: setter

however, it is also incorrect of you to disregard inflation.

It’s not doom and gloom — inflation is the worst in 30 years. Also you disregarded the skyrocketing gasoline prices.

Gas prices and inflation are getting to the point at which they could become baked into the economy, forcing the Fed to raise interest rates.

if that happens, your much-ballyhooed stock market would tank. Investors would jettison equities and possible jump over to bonds. Or gold.


34 posted on 10/20/2021 11:36:58 AM PDT by Old West Conservative
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To: setter

“Not even close. Stock market today is heading into record territory, homes are selling, people have jobs.”

Are you effin retarded?

The real economy, across the board is tanking. Folks are LOSING their jobs. Folks have a bankroll of Free Money for a very short time. Foreclosures are gonna BOOM. And they’ll be bought up for pennies by Big Shots. Gas, Food, Medical Insurance everything is going up big right now.

If you got yours already, good for you.

The next generation(s?) are so screwed, and sadly so mis-educated that they don’t even know it.

You’ll own nothing and like it.


35 posted on 10/20/2021 11:45:45 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuitss)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

72-76 level of stagflation + high energy prices => cutting the demand for everything else that is affected by higher production prices and shipping prices.


36 posted on 10/20/2021 11:50:36 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: monkeyshine

“Nice landlords would be understanding and work it out some way or another. Nice tenants would try.”

And everyone else would burn the place to the ground, collect the insurance, and call it a day.


37 posted on 10/20/2021 11:50:44 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuitss)
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To: crz

Very good.

But the Elites using a front of Marxists proceed with multi-trillion dollar budget proposals, mass vaccinations and vaccine passports, building a CCP style social credit system, furtherance of the electronic election rigging system, prolonged unemployment, tolerance and enabling of border incursions, critical race brainwashing, and on and on to full Cultural Marxism in a takedown of the United States.

Meanwhile, for a while we bask in low interest rates while the PRC plans to attack Taiwan without the US Biden Administrator doing anything to defend it.


38 posted on 10/20/2021 12:07:00 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Boomer

we’re not getting any govt help....what is this govt “help” they talk about.....and yet, we’re still supposed to pay these high property taxes and income taxes.


39 posted on 10/20/2021 12:12:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Starboard

I was thinking the same thing.

The Winter Olympics in Beijing are only four months away.

I would be surprised if China moved against Taiwan before then.


40 posted on 10/20/2021 12:31:35 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Donald J. Trump is my president, not the Commander-in-Thief, brain-dead Joseph Stolen)
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