Posted on 10/08/2021 10:24:31 PM PDT by Az Joe
For many fully vaccinated Americans, the Delta surge spoiled what should’ve been a glorious summer. Those who had cast their masks aside months ago were asked to dust them off. Many are still taking no chances. Some have even returned to all the same precautions they took before getting their shots, including avoiding the company of other fully vaccinated people.
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This misunderstanding, born out of confusing statements from public-health authorities and misleading media headlines, is a shame. It is resulting in unnecessary fear among vaccinated people, all the while undermining the public’s understanding of the importance—and effectiveness—of getting vaccinated.
This is a propaganda piece that makes baseless claims.
They say that if you had a wedding with 100 unvaccinated guests, chances are that someone would have covid19 while at a wedding with 100 vaccinated guests the chances of an infected guest would be “minuscule.” They cite no data to support such an assertion.
Maybe, I really wanna know. Can you find any articles either refuting it or supporting it? I am looking high and low. Here’s another article
I think they did not intend to give the data it was just a way for them to explain the data simply.
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This is obvious BS.
Vaccinated Spread the Virus at the same rate.
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Vaccinated people are much MORE likely to spread the virus. A recent study found that the nostrils of vaccinated people with covid contained 256 times the viral load than the unvaccinated with covid.
It is BECAUSE of the jabbed that we have variants.
The vaxxed ARE spreading the variants. They have within them, from the vial part of the DNA that their immune system is training to react to. That is leading to more and more variants.
The viral loads are the same for the whole body, but the vaccinated tend to carry more in their nostrils.
Both peak at the same level for viral load. Recent research has shown that an unvaccinated person, infected with COVID-19, may be able to spread the virus up to 72 hours before they begin to have any symptoms and up to 10 days after symptoms disappear. The vaccinated, who are infected, will only be contagious for a short time and may not have the chance to transmit the virus to another person.
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When a study comes up pointing to Vaccinated spreading the Delta variant, and getting infected after both shots, they focus on masking, which was not in the study.
They know the typical masks are a joke, but they have to sell them or research money ain’t coming.
Six feet has no scientific basis and gas stations masks are like wearing a watch to protect yourself.
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oh really? source pleae
I consider the masks worse than useless. They obviously store up both one’s own exhalations and those of persons nearby. Ever notice that if somebody has an unusual scent of any kind, you can smell that in your mask after a while.
Also I don’t trust the vaccines to do much more than partially protect some low-risk individuals while loading up the vaccinated with extra viral loads that they can then spread to the unvaccinated. If nobody had ever worn the masks or been vaccinated, we would have had the one flu-like outbreak and perhaps none of the later waves.
It needs to be researched also how much of the spread is person to person and how much is in the ambient atmosphere especially in large towns and cities.
Rather than simply casting doubt on this ambiguous claim ("are 'just as likely' to spread"), please make an unambiguous counterclaim - backed up by hard data.
E.g.: "Getting the Jab will reduce the chance of your transmitting the virus to someone else / of your infecting someone else by 98%."
Merely denying a wishy-washy assertion - as you have done here - is not productive.
Regards,
can you give me the source. I am having an argument with a bunch of vaxholes over here!
can you give me some sources. I am having an argument with a bunch of vaxholes over here!
can you give me the source. I am having an argument with a bunch of vaxholes over here!
I do see where they have made a clarification to their conclusions of what the study means.
CLARIFICATION: The comparison of viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated (pre-vaccine era) as reported in the Chau et al. 2021 Lancet preprint is between two different variants of SARS-CoV-2. Dr. McCullough states directly that samples were compared to those “from the pre-vaccination era of 2020.” Thus, differences between these two groups aren’t a result of vaccination status alone. The authors of the Chau et al. 2021 study in their rebuttal to our piece point out another preprint (Li et al. 2021) which reported a difference in viral load of ~1000 between patients infected with the Delta variant and patients infected with A/B. However, the vaccination status of the Delta variant patients in this preprint is not reported. Thus, no one here has done a direct comparison between unvaccinated Delta patients and unvaccinated A/B patients to determine the true difference in viral load. In two additional preprint scientific publications (Riemersma et al. 2021, Chia et al. 2021), comparable viral loads of the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 are reported among vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. However, this itself is an indictment of vaccine efficacy as both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals possess the ability to spread the Delta variant. Simply stated, COVID vaccines have failed to stop transmission of SARS-CoV-2.
The Atlantic is a despicable Leftist rag.
They do not trade in the Truth.
I think you make the correct point, there seems to be no concrete evidence either way. With the vaccine efficacy wearing off, and it’s inability to fight off the delta variant, the numbers are most likely to be the same. However, if there is a higher viral load in the nostrils of the vaccinated while total viral load remains the same, it would help explain why there would be less serious effects for the vaccinated. Yet, that is another thing that has been asserted without any real evidence past the first few months of receiving the vaccine and in relation to the A/B variant, and not the delta variant.
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