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If you really are a professor per your sychophants assertion then you’re a simpleton lacking intellectual curiosity

Comparing Davis or Lee to a 2021 democrat is just stupid

It’s like arguing gender today

Not surprising for a leftist

I doubt you’ve shed blood or sacrificed for much...you don’t have time..you live here

I could be wrong ...you can claim anything here

You could be Audie Murphy

In my view the radical Republicans whose boots you lather were the equivalent of today’s nut jobs on the left

Their peers and history calls them RADICAL REPUBLICANS for a reason

wardaddy to BroJoeK, post #350: "And this notion 1860 democrats are the same as today’s loons is Glen Beck And Levin and Shapiro neocon nonsense propagated to deflect charges of racism against the GOPe from media and progressives"

Given the context, that does sound like Mark Levin.

woodpusher to TwelveOfTwenty, post #479: "Your only exalted source is this tripe from your progressive Bostonian Kevin Levin."

I found no place where TwelveOfTwenty mentions someone named Kevin Levin, but woodpusher goes on & on & on about Levin as if he were relevant to someone, somewhere, somehow...

The issue there seemed to be how many slaves served the Confederate army, and the number 300,000 got thrown around.
So 300,000 seems reasonable to me, but then the question is: were any of those considered Confederate soldiers?
The answer is, in the beginning there were a few here or there -- a New Orleans regiment of freed blacks formed, but never fought and was soon-enough forced to disband.
It reformed later as a Union colored regiment.

Some other black units were mentioned but all disbanded, some former slaves said they were forced to man artillery pieces, occasional reports by Union soldiers of being shot at by black Confederates.
This drawing from an 1862 Union publication:

But the fact remains that blacks -- whether freed or slaves -- were not officially allowed to serve as Confederate soldiers, and so it's likely the only ones who did could pass as whites.

How many were there?
A few, on rare occasions, is all I could find mentioned.
Occasional suggestions to make soldiers of slaves were met with responses like this:

"Such an act on our part would be a stigma on the imperishable pages of history, of which all future generations of Southrons would be ashamed.
These are some of the additional considerations which have suggested themselves to us.
Let us put the negro to work, but not to fight."

FLT-bird to woodpusher post #492: "This is typical of the PC Revisionists here.
They claim to be conservatives.....yet they happily get in bed with open and avowed Leftists like Levin to make their arguments."

And yet nobody except Lost Causers on this thread mentioned either Mark Levin or a Kevin Levin, but somehow that name "Levin" drives our Lost Causers nuts.

Sounds like obsession.

wardaddy: "Comparing Davis or Lee to a 2021 democrat is just stupid"

Lee was a soldier, not a politician, and like fellow Virginian, Thomas Jefferson, Lee in 1860 believed slavery should be gradually abolished.

Jefferson Davis was a typical Southern Democrat politician of his time -- not himself a radical Fire Eater, but when push came to shove in December 1860, Davis used the radicals' threats of secession to propose his own radical transformation, to effectively make slavery lawful everywhere forever.
So Davis was Democrats' 1860 version of Nancy Pelosi to the radical Fire Eaters' AOC of their time.

wardaddy: "I doubt you’ve shed blood or sacrificed for much...you don’t have time..you live here
I could be wrong ...you can claim anything here
You could be Audie Murphy"

My ancestors in this country go back to ~1700 and served in every major American war, beginning with the Revolutionary War.
Some were wounded, captured, escaped -- all survived or I wouldn't be here...
When I was called I served in the Cold War in Europe -- nobody shot at us, but we did our job, kept the peace.
No problem, you're welcome.

wardaddy: "In my view the radical Republicans whose boots you lather were the equivalent of today’s nut jobs on the left
Their peers and history calls them RADICAL REPUBLICANS for a reason"

Radical Republicans were called "Radicals" for wanting to pass, ratify & enforce the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments.
But those "radicals" were defeated in the 1876 election, Union troops withdrew and Southern Democrats retook control of former Confederate states, thus nullifying the "radical" amendments for most of the next 100 years.

I agree with the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments as originally intended.

You don't?

Comparing Davis or Lee to a 2021 democrat is just stupid,

His laughable premise is that somehow the parties have never changed and have stood for the same things throughout their entire history.

Nevermind that you have to ignore that the Republicans started out as the party of the Northeast, of the establishment, of lavish subsidies for big business while the Democrats were the party of limited government and states' rights and fiscal responsibility.

Nevermind that the Northeast is totally Democrat controlled today while the South is overwhelmingly Republican.

He has to ignore all of the actual history as well as all observations about politics and culture in the US for the last several generations to pretend that. Yet somehow in his deluded mind, he manages it! Incredible. LOL!