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To: woodpusher

This is typical of the PC Revisionists here. They claim to be conservatives.....yet they happily get in bed with open and avowed Leftists like Levin to make their arguments. The demonization of the South and all things Southern has always been led by Leftists. These are people who love centralized power and who hate the country and its founding. After all, most of the Founders were Virginians, thus Southerners and a good many were slaveowners. Those who could not see that the PCers would eventually try to attack American history the same way they started attacking Southern history in the 1980s were blind.


492 posted on 10/25/2021 8:10:57 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: woodpusher; wardaddy; TwelveOfTwenty; x; jmacusa; rockrr; DiogenesLamp
FB: "This is typical of the PC Revisionists here.
They claim to be conservatives.....yet they happily get in bed with open and avowed Leftists like Levin to make their arguments. "

I see that wardaddy, woodpusher & FLT-bird are all obsessing over somebody named Kevin M. Levin, who I never heard of, had never before seen quoted here.
I thought wardaddy's reference to "Levin" meant Fox & talk-show host Mark Levin, which would be nonsense.

So if you guys want to flog somebody named Kevin Levin, he's just a straw man here, flog away -- if that makes you feel good.

Bottom line: nobody here is arguing Leftist politics, we're only asking you guys to stop lying about the Civil War.
How hard could that be?

497 posted on 10/25/2021 9:21:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: FLT-bird
This is typical of the PC Revisionists here.

Very much on point.

After the North largely completed its campaign of gradual emancipation, selling its slaves to Southern owners at full market value, i.e. ethnic cleansing; the recently interred Whigs rebranded as Republicans and found an issue to divide the nation, and the Democrat party, enabling them to win power as a minority.

Something their revisionist history does not explain is why African Americans are overwhelmingly Democrats. Revisionists cannot explain why they abandoned, nay ran away from, the Republican party.

Nor can the Revisionists explain why one of the shortest, if not the shortest list of books, is a list of gushing praise biographies by Black authors.

Nor can they explain the scarcity of statements in praise of Lincoln before he died, was immaculated, sainted, and entombed in a memorial fashioned after the Parthenon in Athens, fit for a Greek God. To find a statement favorable to Lincoln while he was alive, they seem to reach for Frederick Douglass, 1876 eulogizing dead Lincoln.

Southerners have always been conservative. When the Democratic party was overrun by liberals, conservative Southern Democrats switched party affiliation to Republican. The Southerners did not change, the Democratic party did.

Frederick Douglass, writing of the Emancipation Proclamation, said, "it may be fairly questioned, whether it did not chill the Union ardour of the loyal people of the North in some degree, and diminish, rather than increase, the sum of our power against the rebellion: for moderate, cautious and guarded as was this proclamation, it created a howl of indignation and wrath amongst the rebels and their allies. The old cry was raised by the copperhead organs of “an abolition war,” and a pretext was thus found for an excuse for refusing to enlist, and for marshalling all the negro prejudice of the North on the rebel side. Men could say they were willing to fight for the Union, but that they were not willing to fight for the freedom of the negroes; and thus it was made difficult to procure enlistments or to enforce the draft."

If it were an abolition war from the outset, how to explain this reaction?

Indeed, if the war were started to abolish slavery, and had the Union been successful at the first Battle of Bull Run (First Manassas), and proceeded to overrun Virginia, capture Jefferson Davis, and secure an unconditional surrender of the Confederate states, the war would have been over in a day. The slaves would still have been slaves, and there would have been no possibility of a war measure authorizing their seizure as contraband, with subsequent freeing by their new owner. The Union would have been preserved, but with the peculiar institution. In a war to abolish slavery, immediate and total victory at war would not have produced that result.

531 posted on 10/26/2021 7:46:43 PM PDT by woodpusher
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