Posted on 10/01/2021 9:49:59 AM PDT by Red Badger
Not sure if what you wrote is opinion but I know someone who is “fully-vaxxed” who got COVID when we asked her what doctors did to help her, she said “nothing”. They didn’t offer any treatment or support, just said if she can’t breathe to go to the ER. So after testing positive (and she was feeling sick) she went home and just slept. She didn’t have a severe case, but was laid up for about 2 weeks. The fact that doctors didn’t care and that she was left on her own seemed to trouble her.
Took the guy, African-American and athletic, home to the Bronx from a Jersey City hospital ER. He had shown up there, reporting chest pain and shortness of breath. Needless to say he was P.O.’d that they didn’t treat him after most of a day waiting in the waiting room. They took blood but didn’t tell him the results. Didn’t have the heart to explain to him what had just been done to him. ActuLly, also didn’t have the heart to ask him if he had been vexationated. So what I have said is, admittedly, opinion.
The answer to that is no one knows. Anywhere from immediately to never.
At the start of 2020 Moderna had 9 mRNA based drugs in trials, 8 in initial (phase 1) human trials, 1 in phase 2.
Then came covid and the panic. They created their mRNA based covid 19 vaccine in days after receiving the genetic sequence data for covid. Not conspiracy theory - they proudly proclaim it. Given that various sources report the sequencing complete between the end of January 2020 and early June 2020 we can estimate Moderna got started in March. A few days to prepare it, maybe a couple of weeks to manufacture enough initial examples for a trial... We do know that they got EUA from the FDA in mid December, and that they presented about 4 months worth of phase 1 & phase 2 data. So backing up from that say 5 months - 1 month of phase 1 and 4 months of phase 2. That means they started with their final version somewhere around the beginning of July. That means for 3 months or so they were spinning on first/second/third/etc. attempts.
Their vaccine was rushed through phase 1 and phase 2 trials and given an emergency use authorization. It is now in-effect in phase 3 of an experimental drug trial. Granted, this drug trial is now being carried out on roughly 100,000,000 people instead of the usual 20,000 to 50,000.
As for adverse side effects... There are typical immediate side effects from your immune system being kicked into action. How strong/long depends on your immune system's response to the stimulus. Apparently that is all over the map, depends on if you've previously had covid, etc. Then there are the maybe mild or not-so-mild allergic reactions to some of the components of the injection.
Long term? Who knows. Only a handful of people have had mRNA injections. There are 20,000 or 30,000 people who have had them a little over a year now. Of course we no-longer have a well-studied control group (placebo shot) since after the EUA was granted the control group was offered (and most took) the real shot. So we're developing the long-term effects data right now. There's no basis to say you'll be dead in a couple of years, but no real basis to say you won't be either.
The mRNA instructions to the immune system seems like a pretty straightforward shortcut of the process. In fact it is a wildly exciting technology with a lot of promise. However, there are still serious questions. Can the mRNA "message" or program get garbled in manufacturing? Garbled or changed in transmission to the cells? Misunderstood by the cells? What percentage of someone's immune system goes off doing something slightly off from that which was intended? How dangerous is that?
Hopefully (for the sake of the tens of millions in the experiments) the answers to these questions are basically virtually nil. But any time you artificially tweak your body, particularly your immune system, it may react in unpredictable ways. A "typical" auto-immune condition takes 3 to 5 years to present fully and be diagnosed. If we've accidentally triggered something like that, we won't know for several more years.
Normally this is the kind of thing learned in phases 3 & 4 of drug trials. That way if/when a drug therapy is approved it will have the usual caveats and "contraindications" so that healthcare professionals can recommend it (or not) to certain individuals. There are always some people who should not take certain drugs. Always. No drug, no vaccine is universally tolerated. When people say everyone should get vaccinated they are wrong. The vaccines will kill some people. The vaccines will cause disabilities in some people. Guaranteed. Who or why? Don't know yet. At what rate/percentage? Don't know yet.
These last several sentences - these are exactly why I do not want the vaccine. I want to make an informed choice based on real information on risks vs rewards - not based on guesses and assumptions. This is why I believe it is wrong, wrong on a inhumane scale akin to that of Nazi experimentation, to force people into taking the vaccines. "Oh, no-one is forcing you to take one..." Bull. Every week new restrictions are announced. Eventually the only way to live without having been forced to take a vaccine will be to live alone in a cabin in the woods. Hunt, fish, and grow your own foods, never travel across state lines. That's where the fascists are headed - forcing everyone into the experiment while claiming no-one has to take it. If no-one is being forced, then why all the coercive actions?
Well my area has increased hospitalizations over the last three weeks. We have 50 now in hospital with covid and 19 in ICU. Plus deaths have been worse than 2020. and they’re giving drive by shots again.
Even so the figures are remaining steady.
A fully vaccinated acquaintance of mine died yesterday of COVID. So not only are you taking a risk in getting the jab, but there is no upside to it either.
I know, I know, his COVID death would have been much worse had he not had the vaccination.
My personal calculation is that the risk of the vaxx FAR outweighs the benefit when you follow sensible prophylactic protocols: D, C, zinc, quercetin/EGCG/ivermectin/HCQ, melatonin (if you can handle it), NAC, outdoors with sunshine, exercise, good sleep, healthy eating, etc.
The People’s Temple, Nov 1979 ..
Sorry 1978
They aren't?
I think the opposite is true. They are angry at the unvaccinated and want to blame them for everything. Why else would they demand that everyone get vaccinated (if they themselves are already "protected")?
What’s a year between dead people?..........
Sorry, but you are no longer fully vaccinated. You'll need the booster to now be considered fully vaccinated. IF you should die before the booster shot, your death will be counted as one of the unvaccinated. See how this works? btw, it never ends.
Not quite. It appears some people have died as a result of these so-called vaccinations, but your mileage may vary.
Without the actual document this well done presentation has no provenance.
Blue states have been criminal in influencing doctors to withhold treatment and preventative medicines for those at risk or showing early Covid signs.
You didn’t use (/s) in your mocking question because you remember your infamous post, a few months ago, and I paraphrase: most of the dead are unvaccinated (with smiley faces, etc…)
That said and being unvaccinated myself, I wish you and your wife a long, happy life with no vaccine side effects whatsoever, with or without a booster.
— >Yes. And the folks predicting our demise will be quite upset when we are still around.
I for one am rooting for you and every conservative freeper to do fantastic.
Our fight is not each other. It is the worldwide evil marxists vs. good.
I am sorry to hear this 😢
We have been blessed so far that my FIL’s facility has no shot requirement for residents, visitors and staff. They only have had Covid hit their facility once and the only person who got sick was a vaxxed caregiver.
They do, however prescribe vitamin D for all residents, at least 2,000 IU/day.
And you have called those questioning the vaxxed crazy, stupid, unable to comprehend science, Qtards, and more.
I don’t participate in this behavior, but I sure have caught some fire from you and your cohorts just for questioning the narrative with evidence-based posts.
Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
It’s observation—I just wasn’t sure if you were theorizing on the concept of buyer’s remorse. Thanks for introducing the idea as it is an interesting perspective and sharing your friends story.
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