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Google Employees Face Pay Cuts Up To 25% For Working From Home Permanently: Leaked Salary Data
Nation & State ^ | 8-11-21 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 08/11/2021 8:49:01 AM PDT by Brookhaven

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To: libh8er

The deserted auto manufacturing plants in Detroit are very impressive.

Google has made a major strategic blunder— but some lessons are best learned the hard way.


21 posted on 08/11/2021 9:06:02 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Brookhaven

So?

The market will work it out.

In a lot of cases, it would make much more sense to live somewhere with good quality of life and cheaper costs, and better schools even with a pay cut.


22 posted on 08/11/2021 9:07:15 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Lockbox

Unless you live in Santa Clara and have to commute to Mountain View.
Still costs you 200k salary to afford a home in Santa Clara.
25% cut would be hard to swallow.


23 posted on 08/11/2021 9:07:56 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: cgbg

Google is a marquee employer. Work for Google, and you can go just about anywhere.

That gives them leverage.

But where this is really going to take hold is in multi site companies were their are facilities across the US. The way it was before covid is if you worked form home, you were “assigned” a site. So even if you never set foot in the site for years at a time, you were considered part of their payroll. That tied the employee wages to the site location cost of living.

I remember a few people being fired for claiming a site in California, living in Arizona, and pocketing the difference. One guy had a PO box he used for mail and had it shipped to him twice a month.


24 posted on 08/11/2021 9:08:42 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: redgolum

The problem is that wage adjustments (for high cost of living areas) never fully compensated employees for the full difference in cost of living.

Part of that cost is “unseen” in the form of commuting time and money, day care costs (just two examples).


25 posted on 08/11/2021 9:08:44 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Brookhaven

Way back in 2004 to 2008 when I worked at Google the salary was low for what I could get elsewhere. The free meals and stock options did make up for it...wonder what happened to the free meals during covid panic...


26 posted on 08/11/2021 9:10:22 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Brookhaven

In the face of double-digit inflation at that.


27 posted on 08/11/2021 9:11:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Lockbox

I can vouch for that. Painful.


28 posted on 08/11/2021 9:11:50 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: cgbg

I agree. It bit me a few times.

But businesses are not charities, and the biggest cost is often pay roll.

One old timer I used to work with had it figured out. He would take a job in a high cost of living area. Say Chicago. Work there for a few years then move to a smaller market. That would freeze his wages, but he didn’t care. Then he would take a job in another high cost of living market for more and repeat.

It worked, till it didn’t and he was laid off. But a great way to play the game.


29 posted on 08/11/2021 9:12:11 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: cgbg

Or because other employees make lifestyle choices to live in the expensive City itself.


30 posted on 08/11/2021 9:12:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: God luvs America

Yes. I had a tax client in Illinois who paid NYS income tax, because of an unusual arrangement. And even more surprising, Illinois agreed to it. Usually, Illinois foregoing tax revenue is like a fat kid sharing birthday cake.


31 posted on 08/11/2021 9:14:02 AM PDT by Bernard (The very best scientific articles always contain this phrase: “My personal intuition has been…”)
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To: Brookhaven
From my conversations with commercial real estate brokers in my area, the drive by companies to force employees back into the office is motivated by one thing: They are paying exorbitant leases on a lot of office space, and think the optics of all that "wasted" space are bad.

So here is how this idiocy plays out:

1. If you worked in midtown Manhattan before COVID and your company has 3+ years remaining on its office lease, you are being forced back to work. However, your employer is planning to reduce its office footprint by at least 80% and is expecting to have most staff working from home after the current lease term ends.

2. If you worked in midtown Manhattan before COVID and your company has less than three years remaining on its office lease, your employer is likely to be far more flexible about a work-from-home arrangement. Your employer is already negotiating lease terms for space that is at least 80% smaller than its current footprint.

It really is this simple. And it really is this stupid, too.

32 posted on 08/11/2021 9:14:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Avalon Memories
There was a great radio interview last year with a guy who owned six prominent restaurants in New York City. He opened a new location in Florida a few years ago, then opened four more in Florida and closed four of his NYC locations during COVID -- because so many of his regular customers were moving to Florida anyway.
33 posted on 08/11/2021 9:16:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Brookhaven

A 25% pay cut for working at home might work for employees, depending on length and method of commute, cost of parking or other transportation, hours saved not commuting, ability to avoid daycare for children and other factors.

It will be different for each employee.


34 posted on 08/11/2021 9:17:34 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: Brookhaven

Does this mean Google will cut your salary by 95% if you move to Detroit — since the place is such a sh!thole that you can buy a home for $1? :-P


35 posted on 08/11/2021 9:17:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Brookhaven

One would think they’d get raises for not occupying expensive office space.


36 posted on 08/11/2021 9:18:26 AM PDT by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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One would think they’d get raises for not occupying expensive office space.

The problem for Google is that they own the building and won't be able to find other tenants. So now they have to pay the note on the building, the note on the furniture, electricity, air conditioning, security, cleaning staff, cafeteria staff, etc., with fewer employees to offset the cost.

The companies that lease their offices, especially those approaching the end of their lease, can soon recognize the cost savings by having staff work from home.

People need to recognize that they're going to be competing salary-wise against workers in other states with lower costs of living. (Any job that could have been sourced overseas likely already has). Companies don't need to search Appalachia or the Everglades to find talent, the talent they currently have is moving into those areas. The faster employees can bail out of a high cost area, the quicker they become more competitive.

37 posted on 08/11/2021 9:28:39 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

This is going to have huge implications on commercial and residential real estate.


38 posted on 08/11/2021 9:29:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Brookhaven

I know a guy who worked for Twitter. During pandemic that told him he could work remotely. He moved back to a Boston suburb. They cut his pay by 15%.

His state tax was dropped by about 5%.

He WAS paying $4k in rent.

He is living like a king on his San Francisco salary in a low cost remote location.

His answer would be that he would take that pay cut every day of the week.


39 posted on 08/11/2021 9:39:33 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: BenLurkin

They are finding people are generally as, if not more productive at home. People working in offices waste a ton of time (in an office work environment. Things like customer support/ service and contact centers don’t see much difference.)

My wife has worked from home since March 2020. She never wants to go back. No politics. No “what did you do this weekend” crap. And no having to be the “Office Mom” for the idiot kids.


40 posted on 08/11/2021 9:43:06 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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