Posted on 08/04/2021 3:02:05 PM PDT by BeauBo
(President Trump's Operation Warp Speed Update)
(Vaccinations back up to last week's stronger pace - Cases, Hospitalizations remained high, but Deaths rose more than have been in recent weeks (614))
Administered: 348,102,478 (13,515,943 J&J)
People Vaccinated, At Least One Dose: 192,614,017
Fully Vaccinated: 165,334,987
(Excerpt) Read more at covid.cdc.gov ...
It’s not a sound survey and you know it. It’s crap, like many surveys are, particularly internet based surveys.
My only point is that presenting untrue (or crappy, statistically awful) survey results intended to infer a position (majority of US physicians refuse vaccine) to support your personal position doesn’t advance the discussion in a positive way and could sway people not to become further educated on the subject.
I support your choice not to be vaccinated - there is more than one way to herd immunity and to each their own.
But broadcasting BS as fact isn’t helpful to anyone.
Why are you posting a GIF of the unvaccinated?
Thank you! Sad to see so many freepers on the anti-vax side of things. Thousands of easily preventable deaths... and a new spike leading to more economic havoc.
They’re never going to end it with your attitude. Threats and coercion make me distrust them even more.
Funny how Israel has a completely different experience... someone is lying.
The CDC, NIH, MSM and the Biden Administration is putting out bad science daily and pointing fingers when the numbers and science are flat out false and lies. Their lies and inference on the American public is far worse than any post on FR.
It’ll probably be years from now if ever, we get the actual truth on this crap. Maybe the actuals are somewhere in the middle.
Even though I don’t trust the government or the media, I doubt the death numbers and vaccination status are lies. I think the CDC is guilty of being intentionally misleading, but I don’t think they are lying about readily categorizable statistics.
But to your point, does anyone (on the pro vaccine side) have an explanation for the Israeli numbers that seem to be so much at variance with the US numbers?
Agree. More than likely that the real is in the middle.
Take care.
biden, fauxi, and the cdc recommending experimental shots for our citizens to stop the spread of a virus while biden opens the border, invites, welcomes, and spreads thousands of disease carrying invaders across our country during a “global pandemic” reeks of hypocrisy and proves our government doesn’t care about our health and safety...
why should anyone trust anything these people recommend to stop the spread of anything at this point in time???...
Why are you posting a GIF of the unvaccinated?
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Dictates and mandates to be jabbed are coming from many governmental offices and corporations.
And you state the GIF is representing the unjabbed who reject such pronouncements. It is the sheeple who get the jab.
It must be true, the jab decreases IQ.
My approach is to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff using my reasoning skills to decide how best to move forward.
If perfection is the goal - that doesn’t happen ever.
If perfection is the expectation from government agencies influenced by political whims - that doesn’t happen often.
But, somewhere in there is data. It’s a-political at heart, but often misrepresented. The key is understanding the data, it’s value, applicability, and significance.
Not knowing that makes people pawns of politicians, journalists, and extremists on a given issue.
Take care.
“Dictates and mandates to be jabbed are coming from many governmental offices and corporations.
And you state the GIF is representing the unjabbed who reject such pronouncements. It is the sheeple who get the jab….”
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Of the FReepers who have been vaccinated (which I suspect are likely the majority) I don’t think you’d find one in a hundred who’d agree with making taking the COVID-19 vaccine mandatory. We believe in FREEDOM OF CHOICE when it comes to a decision of whether to get vaccinated. We all know our individual circumstances and conditions. FReepers who chose to get vaccinated are NOT SHEEPLE… and neither are the FReepers who have chosen to not get vaccinated. My comment was simply a little joke directed at your post that was clearly meant to slander the vaccinated as mindless, obedient sheep.
“Good to see another 400,000 getting that first shot. Each one starting the process brings us that much closer to wrapping all this up”
You are a delusional fool.
For this discussion, it is irrelevant what “jabbed freepers” think about mandatory vaccinations. What is important is the fact that “the jabbed” subscribe to many governmental directives.
“Get the jab, protect yourself. Do your part to protect Gramma...Get the jab so we can go back to normal” You guys bought this hook, line and sinker. Obeying Big Brother perfectly.
Your statement prior suggested the GIF were the unjabbed when the GIF correctly identifies the jabbed.
“The education level of the hospital staff is an important factor in this. When you look at the doctors, nearly every one is vaccinated. When you look at the nurses, nearly all are. By the time you get to the janitors and food prep people, the numbers drop significantly”
Your arrogance is overwhelming.
“Any updates on breakout cases among vaccinated? Any concerns about this trend?”
2aProtectsTheRest gave a good view of breakthrough cases (as well as protection against hospitalization and death) for the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna).
Although breakthrough cases do occur among some of the vaccinated, there is also some corresponding re-infection among those who have previously had COVID. Few things in life are 100%.
Against Delta, the mRNA vaccines reduce the risk of infection about eightfold (88%), but reduce the risk of hospitalization or death more like 25 fold each.
So although Delta is marginally more vaccine evasive, the vaccines are still powerfully effective against it.
I have not seen anything that convinces me that vaccine effectiveness wanes after a few months. I have seen recent discussions about that, but I suspect that it is the normal waning of circulating antibodies that typically occurs some time after infection or vaccination - but that does not necessarily mean loss of immunity - Just a transition from short term to long term readiness status.
The other thing in the news about breakthrough cases, was an outbreak in Provincetown, Mass. That occurred among the male homosexual community, that were there for a kind of gay festival (with extreme behaviors that increase the transmission of disease). Just marinating in virus. Some disproportionate number (compared to the population average) of those individuals are likely immunocompromised, living with HIV, and/or taking drugs with powerful effects on immunity. So I don’t think the Provincetown outbreak statistics for breakthrough infection reflect the population average, because the sample is very far from random for risk factors, and the behaviors for transmission are essentially a worst case scenario.
75% of the 900 cases there were among individuals who had been vaccinated, but only 4 hospitalizations and no deaths occurred among the vaccinated. So even though they were thick with virus, outcomes were still quite mild.
So Bottom Line: I am not convinced that we have a trend when it comes to breakout cases. It seems to me, more likely that we just have a steady state of a few percentage points more breakthrough from the Delta variant, on average.
“Get the jab, protect yourself. Do your part to protect Gramma...Get the jab so we can go back to normal” You guys bought this hook, line and sinker. Obeying Big Brother perfectly.”
You are projecting. If you want to assign MSM talking points to the poster, you missed the point of the post.
If I am mistaken on that - what was the intent and point of the gif in post 15?
“…What is important is the fact that “the jabbed” subscribe to many governmental directives….”
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I subscribe to the ones that make sense.
“Don’t touch fallen power lines.” Yeah, I “subscribe” to that.
“Wear an ineffectual mask to protect yourself from COVID-19.” Nah, I don’t “subscribe” to that one … AT ALL!
Individual, informed choice is a GOOD THING.
Again you are deflecting the point.
I am talking about the directive to get jabbed.
You and many others subscribe to big brother pronouncements regarding the jab.
Therefore you and others are the folks portrayed in the GIF and not the unjabbed as you previously claimed.
The vaccine was created under Trump, and Biden dismantled the border and is bringing in thousands of unvaccinated people. One president created a miracle drug that is used the world over. Biden is a senile ass-hat trying to ruin America. Those are two different things entirely.
But look at the numbers— they are indisputable. Statistically 98% of the people dying of covid refused to take a free and safe vaccine. And with millions of doses given, only a tiny fraction have had adverse side effects... Covid is not going away so our earlier hopes of “herd immunity” are probably doomed. Covid remains a quite lethal bio weapon that needs a vaccine to protect against.
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