Minnesota Supreme Court Finds Permit-To-Carry Laws Constitutional

WCCO.com ^ | 8/4/2021 | WCCO/AP

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

On Wednesday the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that a state law requiring individuals to have a permit to carry a handgun in public is constitutional and does not violate the Second Amendment.

The ruling comes in the case of a man who was charged with carrying a pistol without a permit. Nathan Hatch was arrested in 2018 after Metropolitan Airport Commission police stopped to help him after his truck broke down. He told officers he had a gun in the back seat and did not have a permit, and officers found a loaded pistol.

Hatch was convicted of a gross misdemeanor. On appeal, he tried to strike down the state’s permit-to-carry statute, arguing it violated his right to bear arms. The Supreme Court disagreed.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

I have read several different accounts of this story and have found nothing that says that officers asked Hatch if there was a firearm in the vehicle. It appears that he voluntarily told them about his firearm and his no permit to carry status.

In Minnesota, you are not obligated to tell police that you have a firearm in your vehicle, unless they specifically ask.

Looks like bigmouth screwed himself.

[Regulator]

It says "keep and bear" arms.

The second part of the phrase doesn't have a qualifier.

[ClearCase_guy]

“Hey, we’re going to infringe on your right ... but it’s OK ... because the Second Amendment says infringing is OK.”

Yeah. Take that to the Supreme Court.

[Dead Corpse]

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

2A. Shall not be infringed.

10thA. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

14thA. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

Heller. 2A is an Individual Right.

Yep. Easy to see how the MN SCROTUS got it wrong. It’s so CLEAR after all.

[Mariner]

“He told officers he had a gun in the back seat and did not have a permit, and officers found a loaded pistol.”

One has to wonder if he had the mental capacity to be a gun owner.

[Mariner]

“In Minnesota, you are not obligated to tell police that you have a firearm in your vehicle, unless they specifically ask.”

If they ask, they have no lawful reason to look.

The answer to that question must always be no.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Famous last words...

"I have a gun in the car."

Philandro Castile 1983-2016

[2aProtectsTheRest]

So according to the Minnesota supreme court, the government can require permits for any and all individual rights? The government can require me to get a permit to have children? To vote? To worship Christ in a church?

[Fireone]

That wasn’t his problem, his problem was how he acted after this fact was established.

[Dead Corpse]

Apparently.

[RBW in PA]

The Minnesota Supreme Court and anyone who enforces these blatantly unconstitutional laws are enemies of the people. Treat them accordingly when ever opportunity knocks.

[vpintheak]

B. S.

[skimbell]

The Minnesota Supreme Court is wrong.
You don’t need a permit to read a newspaper.
This is a violation of the 2A and is invalid.

[Jeff Chandler]

Has SCOTUS ruled on this sort of law?

[Jeff Chandler]

BTW, Minnesota is on my list of states I will never set foot in. And Mrs. Chandler has relatives there. (She agrees with me.)

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Not that I am aware of.

[RideForever]

BTW, Minnesota is on my list of states I will never set foot in. And Mrs. Chandler has relatives there.

In the 60's I was in MI N. Peninsula. In the news at that time was effort by unions to get birth benefits for the workers' unwed daughters. They've had 1/2 century since then to hone their collective craziness.

Quaint it ain't anymore.

[gunnut]

Or I refuse to answer that question under the 5th amendment.

[JimRed]

If a permit is required but can be denied, it is a clear infringement upon the right. Even a never-been-a-lawyer-or-judge like me recognizes that.

Anyone who can not be trusted to be armed should not be running around loose!

[justme4now]

If a government can dictate what forms of protections that we, The People may have, then what happens when/if that government turns radical?
(Which looks like the leftists in power are trying to accomplish even as we speak!)

Tench Coxe, a member of the second rank of this nation's Founders and a leading proponent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, wrote prolifically about the right to keep and bear arms.

Coxe described the Second Amendment as guaranteeing an individual right, and believed that an individual right to bear arms was necessary for self-defense and hunting, as well as for militia purposes and protection against oppression by large standing armies.
(Yes, even our own!)

As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
(Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves?"
Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom.
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American.... [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
(Tench Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.)

A fascinating read on this relatively unknown Secondary Founder at the link below.

TENCH COXE