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CDC reversal on indoor masking prompts experts to ask, ‘Where’s the data?’
The Washington compost ^ | July 29 2021 | Joel Achenbach, Yasmeen Abutaleb, Ben Guarino, Carolyn Y. Johnson

Posted on 07/29/2021 2:16:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone

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To: Obadiah

No need to worry yourself about following “the truth” if you can manage to say with a reasonably straight face that you are following “the science”, or, simply, following “science”.


61 posted on 07/29/2021 5:28:29 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Apparatchik
The fact is that many people who refused the vaccine are getting sick...

Perhaps, but the data from Israel indicates that the population of jabbed and unjabbed are infected in proportions identical to the ratio of jabbed and unjabbed - meaning that the jab has no effect on Delta infection.

At this point, I actively disbelieve 99% of the "scientific" promouncements from fedgov and the deep state media.

62 posted on 07/29/2021 5:43:31 PM PDT by MortMan (Shouldn't "palindrome" read the same forward and backward?)
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To: JoSixChip
Now that’s propaganda! Good job!
63 posted on 07/29/2021 5:52:18 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I agree and I can see store shelves being stripped bare again if there’s more panic buying. People have short memories. However, I do think more people are going to be ready than before.


64 posted on 07/29/2021 6:07:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: romanesq
They are terrified because they’ve lost control of this.

They were fools to think they could in the first place.

But things didn't pan out the way they expected, especially in regard to people's reactions to the masks, lockdowns, vaxxes, etc.

65 posted on 07/29/2021 6:08:38 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: NoLibZone
NOT SURE ABOUT THE DELTA, BUT HERE'S SOME INFO ON GAMMA: IT APPEARS TO ME AS IF THE INJECTED ARE SPREADING THE VIRUS TO THE OTHERS- INJECTED AND UNJABBED, WHEREAS THOSE WITH NATURAL IMMUNITY DID NOT SPREAD IT AND DID NOT GET THE VARIANT

NOTICE WHICH GROUPS HAD THE ACUTE INFECTION:

ELSE WHERE IT WAS NOTED THAT THE INJECTED HAD HIGHER VIRAL LOAD THAN THE OTHERS, BUT SYMPTOMS WERE DELAYED, HENCE THEY WERE CONTAGIOUS, BUT DIDN'T KNOW IT. ALSO, THEY DIDN'T GET TREATED EARLY -we know that delayed treatment is not good, and reduces the effectiveness of some of the mitigating treatments.


66 posted on 07/29/2021 6:26:26 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: greeneyes

Note in the above post there were 6 individuals with prior history of CV19 — It looks like that is the only group that had no individuals with acute illness.


67 posted on 07/29/2021 6:35:06 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: greeneyes

I just heard about a couple that the husband caught it last weekend from someone who was vaxxed, husband is in the hospital, wife at home. Vaxxed person is just now showing symptoms.

Teport is from my son’s college professor (she goes to church with the couple)


68 posted on 07/29/2021 6:35:40 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: metmom

Shopping trips—never stopped prepping for the next one — in fact increased the effort. Never stop prepping these days. Ha.


69 posted on 07/29/2021 6:43:43 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: LilFarmer

Well, wouldn’t it be ironic, if the injected turn out to be the ones causing all the new stuff? Will TPTB decide to they are the ones that have to mask up, and be tested daily to make sure they ain’t a super spreader?


70 posted on 07/29/2021 6:46:27 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

What else is missing is whether these people are asymptomatic…
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I suspect they are. Although it’s not the Delta variant here’s what happened to a group of gold miners. The patient zero was injected, and did not know he was sick-chart @ the link.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3980364/posts?page=66#66


71 posted on 07/29/2021 6:51:05 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: LilFarmer

I just heard about a couple that the husband caught it last weekend from someone who was vaxxed, husband is in the hospital, wife at home. Vaxxed person is just now showing symptoms.

Teport is from my son’s college professor (she goes to church with the couple)
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I believe it. It fits with some of the studies I have looked at. So the injection has worked to reduce the symptoms, and the apparently unintended consequence is that the injected

1. become super spreaders,

2. have delayed treatments-potentially making their illness worse than if treatment began immediately,

3. and are being required to mask up to prevent others from getting the illness - including the other injected people.

In addition, other studies have shown that the existing vaccines are not effective for building durable immunity since the data is that the nucleocapsid section, which the vaccines do not code, is where most of the pre-existing resistance against serious disease resides.

Seems to me, that mRNA wasn’t ready for prime time, and the traditional inactivated virus process would have been better for building durable immunity against the RONA and it’s variants.


72 posted on 07/29/2021 7:36:48 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: greeneyes; ransomnote; tatown; Ahithophel; metmom

My question is....if un-jabbed gets infected by a jabbed person, is that still considered natural immunity (“good”, lifetime immunity)...or, is it some sort of detrimental/non-effective *immunity*? 😱

🤔

I haven’t heard anyone answer this, yet.


73 posted on 07/29/2021 9:12:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: Jane Long

that’s an interesting question. I dunno. However, I would think that if the Jabbed are infected, it is with a real virus that they encountered. Therefore, I would theorize that the immunity from surviving would be effective and durable.

Additionally, recall that approximately 80% of people already had some measure of immunity, and if such a person caught a virus no matter who from, it would tune up the natural immunity.

In addition to all the other risks associated with the injection, this ability of the shot to dampen the symptoms, makes the spread more likely-a negative for public health.

And from an individual standpoint that jabbed person is getting delayed treatment because they don’t know they are infected—and we know early treatment is important to their health, as well as to reduce the need for hospitalization.


74 posted on 07/29/2021 9:24:13 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: Jane Long

The infection is caused by the virus, so it would produce the same immunity.


75 posted on 07/29/2021 10:07:48 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: greeneyes

Since last year Jan, I have been shopping with that in mind.


76 posted on 07/29/2021 10:23:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: greeneyes; Jane Long

So it sounds like the vaxxes are causing a worse epidemic that simply letting the virus run its course.

People are sicker when they do show symptoms and spread it more making the vaxxed super spreaders.


77 posted on 07/29/2021 10:27:35 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: metmom

Yes, to me, that’s the way it’s beginning to look.


78 posted on 07/29/2021 10:32:54 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: metmom; greeneyes

Exactly!

Jabbed are the super spreaders and this is what they’re hiding by not even counting the jabbed, in hospitalizations....in states like TX (and, probably most states).


79 posted on 07/29/2021 10:34:42 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: Jane Long; greeneyes

There are so many of us that suspected that the vax was actually the second bioweapon.

It’s coming to look more and more like it by the day.

The vax was like throwing gasoline on a fire. Just as the pandemic would have burned itself out naturally, get everyone vaxxed and make the naturally less virulent variant more deadly than ever.

Now they have a new reason to mandate more….. mandates. The fear narrative is crucial to keep the left in power and in control.


80 posted on 07/29/2021 10:51:39 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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