I’ll post my long term strategic plan if you wanna discuss it in civil fashion, but you are using the standard tactic of straw argumentation because you are simply a fracking sociopath who would rather have invective than address issues."
Sorry, FRiend, but you are only trying to pass-off your disgusting wet-dream fantasies as if they are serious arguments, but they're not serious, and all the insults in the world against me can't convert your wet-dreams into serious arguments.
To have a serious discussion, you must first get serious, which means: drop all the insults, all the nonsense, and then let's look at what left.
Kevmo: "***STFU, sociopath.
I am advocating that Taiwan declare independence so that we can fight for true independence for a true ally, and get rid of those ethnic chinese who are fifth columnists.
Naturally, you want to uphold those 5th columnists because our previous policy was to kowtow to them."
I have no interest -- none -- in your alleged "Declaration of Independence", if you wish to declare independence, then do it, I don't care in the least, it makes no difference to me.
I'm saying the US has always promised to support Taiwan against a Chi-Com invasion, and we should do that, regardless of how "Independent" you declare yourself to be, or not be, it's irrelevant to me.
As for the Kuomintang, ethnic Chinese, they will be the first ones to suffer genocide at Chi-Com hands, so I'd be near certain they'll support Taiwan's self defense.
And already your own CPP party has reduced their KMT to a minority, which means you rule over them now.
I strongly suggest you continue to treat them with respect & dignity.
You will need them to help defeat the Chi-Com invasion.
As for kowtowing, the US has never kowtowed to Taiwan, any more than we kowtow to Japan, Korea or even mainland China.
We believe in mutual respect, dignity & alliances of peers, or near-peers.
We hope to present a united front to the world and hope, as much as possible, to keep our disagreements behind closed doors.
You understand all that, don't you?
Kevmo: "***NO. Wrong. A$$#0/e.
Learn how to address real issues.
Stop arguing strawman bullshiite.
Take a critical thinking class and quit being such a sociopath."
After all these posts I'm pretty sure that's your standard response when you know I'm right and have nothing to say in response.
From the beginning of this thread I've been trying to clue-out just who it is you represent -- is the the Chi-Coms, since that seemed to account for your opposition to traditional American support for Taiwan?
Now, lately, here & there you've hinted it's not really the Chi-Coms you're defending, and not even Taiwan as a whole, but only a small part of Taiwan, the ethnic Taiwanese -- am I right?
So, let's see if I have this right -- you're willing to see a Chi-Com invasion of Taiwan in hopes it might rid you of the Kuomintang ethnic Chinese, even if via Chi-Com genocide.
Once the Kuomintang is gone, then you want to declare independence and invite Americans to lose five aircraft carriers (at $500 billion each), 250,000 men and who knows what else?
But your huge fear, your obsession -- indeed you're possessed by this idea -- is that the Chi-Coms will not just rid you of your Kuomintang Chinese, but they will also import to Taiwan millions or tens of millions of other Chinese to take their place, am I right?
So you won't really be independent at all, but rather under the boot of the Chi-Coms and vastly more worse off than you'd ever imagined from the Kuomintang, is that right?
Well... if I'm even halfway close to reality here, then I can tell you my advice straight up, easy: you guys just must, must learn to love each other, there's no other way.
Your CPP is the majority now in Taiwan, you're in power now, use your power wisely, kindly, make alliances, make friends -- remember, if/when the Chi-Com invasion comes, you will need all the friends & allies you can get.
If Taiwanese don't at least love each other, you'll have a hard time finding anyone else to love you.
Kevmo: "***Here you go again, bringing up more red herring issues.
Yet another classic fallacy.
Take that critical thinking class."
Naw, it's an important point in this discussion, I'm sorry if it went right over your head.
Kevmo: "***You don’t address the issues I bring up, you just throw down ridiculous insults so STFU, sociopath."
But you haven't brought up any real issues, only babbled nonsense and insults.
You need to stop with all that.
Seriously, what is your real problem?
Kevmo: "***I am very honest when I assess that you have the character of a sociopath."
First, that's not an honest assessment, it's just you throwing out insults, and "sociopath" sounds like a good insult to you, so you use it.
But much more important, it has nothing whatever to do with the subject of this thread, which is the dangerous possible future of Taiwan, Asia and the world generally.
While you're wasting your time insulting me, you ignore why we're here to begin with, FRiend.
Kevmo: "***Go ahead and give us the population breakdown YOURSELF, jerkoff, instead of labelling it hypothetical speculation. "
I have already now several times on this thread, so you should know I don't agree that the loyalty of most ethnic Chinese and even most of your alleged "soy-boys" is as suspect as you claim.
I think they'd stand shoulder to shoulder against a Chi-Com invasion, with only a small number of serious traitors -- provided, provided, provided Taiwan's leadership is united, coordinated and steadfast together.
If your leadership is split, so will be your citizens.
You have to love each other.
Kevmo: "***I have not yet read the rest of your post but I can make a prediction right here: YOU WILL NOT POST The ‘REAL’ numbers.
That is the standard sociopath way to argue.
Someone posts conceptual or budgetary numbers and then @$$#0/es like you pretend that you can’t even address the ISSUES surrounding them without the “REAL” numbers and then you don’t even lift a finger to get the real numbers yourself.
That’s a sign of a sociopath.
You. Sociopath."
I do know what the real numbers are because I've taken the time to look them up.
They're readily available and you could easily look them up yourself, but you won't, you didn't because you don't really car what those numbers are, right?
And that tells me you don't really care about the facts or the truth of anything, do you?
And that's because you are in fact what you accuse me of: a sociopath.
Kevmo: "**I really don’t care much what you think because you have shown yourself to be a first class a$$#0/e on this thread.
All along this thread you conflate Taiwanese with ‘people who live in Taiwan’ even though there is a considerable faction of ethnic chinese [whom you would be dear friends with and uphold their position] who DON’T want Taiwan to be a sovereign nation, who WANT to be Chinese, who see themselves as superior so they should be in charge of China and Taiwan."
I'm starting to "get" that you represent the interests, as you see them, of ethnic native Taiwanese, as opposed to the Kuomintang Chinese who you resent, or the "soy-boys" whom you disparage as your social inferiors, right?
I'm saying I don't care the least about any of that, but if you really want Americans to help you against the Chi-Coms (do you?) then you first need to learn to love each other.
It's important.
Kevmo: "***AGAIN you don’t address the issues at hand.
Like a sociopath."
I've addressed all the issues that matter.
By contrast, you've babbled a lot of insults & nonsense.
Like a sociopath.
Kevmo: "***I have far more clues than you.
It’s because you don’t know how to address issues and facts on the ground, your primary interest is invective.
You are a sociopath."
Spoken like a true sociopath.
You look in your mirror and call me whatever you see there.
That's too bad, Taiwan and your fellow Taiwanese deserve better than you give here.
You are a poor representative of your country, FRiend.