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Kevmo: "First, your question conflates TAIWAN’s claim with China’s claim.
China is very definitely an independent country.
Taiwan is not."

Mainland China is ruled over by force of the unelected illegitimate Chi-Com party.
Taiwan is governed by an elected constitutional republic -- that makes them both legitimate and independent.

The United States has always agreed that all-China, long run, should be governed by one government, but we've also insisted reunification should be accomplished peacefully and lawfully.
And we've always said we'd intervene if the Chi-Coms tried anything different.
We've never said exactly what that intervention would be, and so the Chi-Coms have been free to imagine the best, or the worst, depending on their mood that day.

Under Pres. Trump there seemed no reason to doubt Americans meant what we've always said.
Under Pres. Kamala Biden, nobody knows what the US really means, and US weakness has always been provocative.

Kevmo: "Do I think the chi-coms are legit?
In light of your conflation it is a ridiculous question.
Learn to engage clarity, take a writing class."

And there it is: confirming my translation of the word "Kevmo" in Chinese as "useful idiot".

Kevmo: "When did the chicoms ever hold a legit election?
Immaterial to the issues at hand.
The relevance is whether or not chicom weapons can kill tens of thousands of US soldiers."

Rubbish, the real question is: how many Chi-Coms must die for every Taiwanese, American or anybody else they kill?
Should it be 10 to one? 100 to one? What do you think, Kevmo?

Kevmo: "obviously it is HOWEVER MANY aircraft carriers — without addressing the presented hypothetical.
The reason you do this is because it is obvious I’m right and America would luze stomach for the fight."

Right, just as we did after Pearl Harbor?
Nobody knows exactly what would be the US response to a Chi-Com all-out attack on Taiwan, but you assume the worst -- that we would blunder into range of their most lethal missiles and prove unable to defend against them.
I'm only saying: how are you so certain of those things?

Kevmo: "Third, if there are no US aircraft carriers in a blockade breaking maneuver then our forces will suffer the same defeat as the Bay of Pigs."

Bay of Pigs? You're going to wave the Bay of Pigs at us?
Unless by "our forces" you mean the Chi-Com invasion army, then Bay of Pigs is the wrong analogy.
The Bay of Pigs will be your Chi-Com army's fate after Taiwan & its allies destroy the Chi-Com invasion fleet.

Kevmo: "Fourth, the chicoms might very well TRY to sink all our deployed carriers if we blow out the 3 Gorges Dam..."

If the Chi-Coms launch a massive attack on Taiwan, with thousands of their magic-missiles destroying hundreds of Taiwan targets (even if non-nuclear), and Taiwanese respond in kind against mainland Chi-Com targets, then the disappearance of a dam here or a dam there will be among the lesser of Chi-Com worries.

Kevmo: "attacking chinese citizens on chinese soil, as has been discussed upthread but you’re too obtuse to remember."

If Chi-Coms attack Taiwanese citizens on Taiwan's soil, how could they not expect their own citizens to also suffer, Kevmo?

Kevmo: “attacking chinese citizens on chinese soil, as has been discussed upthread but you’re too obtuse to remember.”

If Chi-Coms attack Taiwanese citizens on Taiwan’s soil, how could they not expect their own citizens to also suffer, Kevmo?
***That’s just it. It is NOT Taiwan’s soil, it is China’s soil . And about a third of those affected are ethnic Chinese, among whom maybe only HALF will fight for China against Taiwan as a fifth column.

Kevmo: “Fourth, the chicoms might very well TRY to sink all our deployed carriers if we blow out the 3 Gorges Dam...”

If the Chi-Coms launch a massive attack on Taiwan, with thousands of their magic-missiles destroying hundreds of Taiwan targets (even if non-nuclear), and Taiwanese respond in kind against mainland Chi-Com targets,
***Interesting hypothetical, that there IF statement. It completely changes and ignores the original hypothetical which is if WE — the USA — take out the 3 Gorges Dam. I’ll address your hypothetical if you address mine. But you won’t.

then the disappearance of a dam here or a dam there will be among the lesser of Chi-Com worries.
***If that disappearance of a dam was due to the US striking targets on mainland China then China is free to take out mainland targets on US soil. But you won’t be addressing that hypothetical any time soon, because you approach this subject matter like a complete jerk.

Kevmo: “Third, if there are no US aircraft carriers in a blockade breaking maneuver then our forces will suffer the same defeat as the Bay of Pigs.”

Bay of Pigs? You’re going to wave the Bay of Pigs at us?
***Hell yes I’m waving the Bay of Pigs at us. It was an island military engagement where the air support was withdrawn by wishy-washy political authority. Hence, they were slaughtered.

Unless by “our forces” you mean the Chi-Com invasion army, then Bay of Pigs is the wrong analogy.
***You really go out of your way to misread things, don’t ya. Misread this: You are a freeping jerk. Argue the actual points instead of propping up bullshiite straw arguments.

The Bay of Pigs will be your Chi-Com army’s
***Frack OFF.

fate after Taiwan & its allies destroy the Chi-Com invasion fleet.
***The invasion fleet will be surrounded by tens of millions of migrants in a sampan civilian internal migrant “mass march migration”, all on CNN so that when we wipe out those civilians it will be a PR disaster. Not that you are EVER going to address these hypotheticals that I bring up.

Kevmo: “obviously it is HOWEVER MANY aircraft carriers — without addressing the presented hypothetical.
The reason you do this is because it is obvious I’m right and America would luze stomach for the fight.”

Right, just as we did after Pearl Harbor?
***AGAIN you bring up Pearl Harbor, which was a sneak attack on AMERICAN SOIL. This engagement in Taiwan will be us interfering with an ACKNOWLEDGED interior dispute on acknowledged Chinese soil. We lost stomach for the fight when 60k US died, we’ll luze stomach for the fight when 250k US soldiers die over an ungrateful ally who has not yet even declared independence. But it’s not like you are going to acknowledge these elements, so it’s like dealing with an insolent child. Take a critical thinking class.

Nobody knows exactly what would be the US response to a Chi-Com all-out attack on Taiwan,
***Of COURSE not. That’s what hypotheticals are all about. So when you refuse to examine one set of hypotheticals but push your own set which ignores obvious parameters, you are being disingenuous.

but you assume the worst —
***That is how military planning works, numbN*ts.

that we would blunder into range of their most lethal missiles
***We are ALREADY in range of their most lethal missiles. Duhh. Blindingly obvious gigantic duhh factor.

and prove unable to defend against them.
***It is certainly a very distinct possibility. One that you refuse to address. Because you’re so obtuse.

I’m only saying: how are you so certain of those things?
***How are you so certain they’re NOT? You aint. So, commenting on the other side’s uncertainty is, once again, disingenuous. That happens a lot with you.

Kevmo: “When did the chicoms ever hold a legit election?
Immaterial to the issues at hand. The relevance is whether or not chicom weapons can kill tens of thousands of US soldiers.”

Rubbish,
***Bullshiite.

the real question is: how many Chi-Coms must die for every Taiwanese, American or anybody else they kill?
***The real question is, how many Americans must die before we withdraw from the fight, like we did in Vietnam?

Should it be 10 to one? 100 to one?
***I will answer your hypotheticals if you answer mine.

What do you think, Kevmo?
***I think Taiwan should be for the Taiwanese, China should be for the Chinese, SoyBoyTown should be for the SoyBoys, and Kurdistan should be for the Kurds. Upthread I pointed out how Taiwan is divided roughly into thirds, 1/3 ethnic chinese with perhaps no more than half willing to fight as a fifth column for China against Taiwan; 1/3 ethnically Taiwanese who want their own country; 1/3 soyboys who don’t GAFF who is in charge as long as they can get their Starbucks and cable tv. But you don’t address these obvious factualities because you are so disingenuous. That comes up a lot with you.

Kevmo: “Do I think the chi-coms are legit?
In light of your conflation it is a ridiculous question.
Learn to engage clarity, take a writing class.”

And there it is: confirming my translation of the word “Kevmo” in Chinese as “useful idiot”.
***You’re just a first class @$$#0/e. On top of that writing class, you should take some kind of spiritual class to treat others as you would have yourself treated.

Kevmo: “First, your question conflates TAIWAN’s claim with China’s claim. China is very definitely an independent country. Taiwan is not.”
Mainland China is ruled over by force of the unelected illegitimate Chi-Com party.
***Take that up with the UN, who gave China legitimacy, as well as the US state department which does the same thing with their “one China” bullshiite policy. The UN does not acknowledge Taiwan as a separate country, but as a province of China. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+taiwan+recognized+by+the+un&source=hp&ei=QCAEYf6rEY6VwbkPkuehyA4&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYQQuUGCAyvDK1eyc6IESMDDFagW-rpu0&oq=Is+taiwan+recogni&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARCjAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEELEDOgUILhCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQowI6CAguEIAEELEDOggILhCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEEMkDOgUIABCSA1CTDljmJWDJMWgCcAB4AIABwQKIAYEckgEIMC42LjEwLjGYAQCgAQGwAQA&sclient=gws-wiz

Taiwan is governed by an elected constitutional republic — that makes them both legitimate and independent.
***I am not signing up for your Humpty-Dumpty definition because there are half a dozen countries in the world that this easily pulls off the list of independent countries.

The United States has always agreed that all-China, long run, should be governed by one government,
***Basically a pile of bullshiite policy position to accommodate an intransigent and stupid ally.

but we’ve also insisted reunification should be accomplished peacefully and lawfully.
***And the Chinese WILL say that their 15Million man sampan migrant flotilla is a peaceful and lawful migration from some internal provinces to an island internal province. But you are too stupid to see this.

And we’ve always said we’d intervene if the Chi-Coms tried anything different.
***So you have confidence in our wavering political leadership, the same guys who threw our allies such as the Vietnamese and Free Cubans under the bus. Got it.

We’ve never said exactly what that intervention would be,
***Because the policy is so stupid.

and so the Chi-Coms have been free to imagine the best, or the worst, depending on their mood that day.
***And now they are building a 100 million man army and perhaps a flotilla of 15-20 million civilians in front of it so they can legally and peacefully begin administering things in Taiwan like how they did in Hong Kong when the time was right.

Under Pres. Trump there seemed no reason to doubt Americans meant what we’ve always said.
***This points out the folly of the approach. It should be independent of who is president at the time.

Under Pres. Kamala Biden, nobody knows what the US really means, and US weakness has always been provocative.
***Again, pointing out the folly of such an approach, not that you will ever be able to see it because you are so disingenuous. That disingenuous thing comes up a lot with you. You should look into it.