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To: Little Ray; Kevmo
Little Ray: "I don’t see the DF-21D or DF-26 as being mythological - just untried."

What's mythological is the idea posted on this thread that such Chinese missiles are almighty & unstoppable, no counter-measures, no escaping them.
The Chinese just click their mice and ZAP! Half the US Navy has suddenly disappeared in clouds of smoke.

I'm saying first: they're not that good and we're not that bad.
And second, sinking major American navy ships is an act of war, just as at Pearl Harbor, which would merit a response similar to WWII.
And if I remember right, our current pretend President said he wanted to be the greatest leftist president since FDR -- that would be his chance.

163 posted on 07/27/2021 11:47:59 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Where did I say they’re almighty and unstoppable? I didn’t. Hence you are engaging a straw argument.

Our CURRENT missile-shootdown capabilities fielded would be relatively ineffective against CURRENT demonstrated thermal-targetted ICBMs.

America is not ready for the sour news of 5 lost aircraft carriers in one day.

You claim sinking a ship is an act of war. So is blowing up a dam to cause tens of millions of casualties. And so is a naval blockade AGAINST ANOTHER COUNTRY.

The thing to keep in mind is that Taiwan is NOT a different country from China. It is a renegade province of China and even current state dept policy of “one China” reflects that fact.

If China chooses to blockade Taiwan it will not be an act of war. But if we sink chinese ships or they sink ours, those WILL be acts of war.


165 posted on 07/27/2021 12:03:08 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

Where did I say they’re almighty and unstoppable? I didn’t. Hence you are engaging a straw argument.

Our CURRENT missile-shootdown capabilities fielded would be relatively ineffective against CURRENT demonstrated thermal-targetted ICBMs.

America is not ready for the sour news of 5 lost aircraft carriers in one day.

You claim sinking a ship is an act of war. So is blowing up a dam to cause tens of millions of casualties. And so is a naval blockade AGAINST ANOTHER COUNTRY.

The thing to keep in mind is that Taiwan is NOT a different country from China. It is a renegade province of China and even current state dept policy of “one China” reflects that fact.

If China chooses to blockade Taiwan it will not be an act of war. But if we sink chinese ships or they sink ours, those WILL be acts of war.


166 posted on 07/27/2021 12:03:11 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

I am saying that you go with the worst case scenario until you have actual data to work with.
Personally, I think hitting a maneuvering ship with the payload from a ballistic missile going to be tough - but we have managed even more impressive things and losing 6000 sailors to find out that their ASBM works and our ABM doesn’t is going to be an awfully high price.
And I remember reading how the USN didn’t respect the equipment and expertise of the IJN. I don’t want to see a repeat of that either.


179 posted on 07/27/2021 12:36:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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