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Thousands Of Ships, Millions Of Troops: China Is Assembling a Huge Fleet For War With Taiwan
https://www.forbes.com ^ | Jul 27, 2021 | David AxeForbes Staff

Posted on 07/27/2021 7:14:19 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “***How are you so certain they’re NOT?
You aint.
So, commenting on the other side’s uncertainty is, once again, disingenuous.
That happens a lot with you.”

Again,
***AGAIN, you are disingenuous. This comes up a lot with you. You don’t know how to be honest about issues.

I’m not responsible for your wet-dreams
***You’re just a jerk.

— you can fantasize all you wish, but reality is a very different place.
***You should take your own fantasies to a writing class.

You should try it sometime.
Who knows, you might even like it?
***You should also take that morals class, and that critical thinking class. You might even like it.


241 posted on 07/31/2021 9:01:44 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Bullshiite.
Greenland is peaceful because they mind their own bizness.
Switzerland and New Zealand are peaceful without any input from American treaties."

Sure, but the world is chock-full of little Hitlers, Mussolinis, Tojos & Stalins whose insanities are only held in check by respect for (or fear of) the American military commitments.
Take away the US military and you will see them all on the move again, just as they were in, for example, the 1930s.

Kevmo: "***You’re starting to go into word salad here.
I can tell that it means you have lost the argument."

But you've made no argument, you only babbled nonsense.
Feel free to try again...

Kevmo: "***Word salad"

Babbling nonsense.

Kevmo: "***while pointing out some obvious aspects [POTO] because ya got nowhere else to go."

Now you're not even trying to make sense.

Kevmo: "***Sure, right after I talk to the folks in North Korea."

The only promise the US ever made to North Korea was, if they stay out of South Korea, they can live in peace.
That promise has been kept since circa 1952.

Kevmo: "***You are so stupid not to be able to see the irony of your own remarks.
Our policy DEPENDS upon politician willingness to defend, and our politicians are not willing to defend. "

Now you're trying to have it both ways -- first you claim we fight too many wars, then complain we're not willing to defend.
What's true is that the world is better off when we win our wars, and worse off when we lose.
If we give up on Taiwan, the Chi-Coms will simply move their points of conflict to the next countries.

Kevmo: "But you jump up & down and make a big childish stink about how any attack on our carriers engaging in an act of war over an internal province dispute on Chinese soil would be tantamount to Pearl frikken Harbor."

So, I take it you think it's a great idea to let the Chi-Com's sink... how many did you say?, was if five of our carriers they should sink, so we can go home and let them take Taiwan, and then after that, whatever other countries they want?

Kevmo: "***You make my points FOR me.
That is how I know I have won the argument.
Just replace Afghanistan with Taiwan... my point is made."

Sorry, pal, but you just keep fantasizing endless nonsense, demanding I respond to your wet-dreams of Chi-Com conquests.
I have merely pointed out the truth, which is that the US has long promised to help with Taiwan's defense in the face of naked Chi-Com aggressions.
Our failure there would not lead to a better world.

Kevmo: "***which is what I’ve been saying about Taiwan, @$$#0/e."

Sorry, but you've done nothing but babble nonsense and your own wet-dream fantasies.
The truth is we've promised to help Taiwanese defend themselves, and it will not go well for us, long term, if we don't.

Kevmo: "***Your wonderful politician brigade that you have SO much CONFIDENCE in when it comes to defending our enemies, well... those guys are retreating ACROSS THE WORLD.
But don’t worry, when we luze 200k men and 5 aircraft carriers over an ally who hasn’t even declared independence yet... we will all rally around THEIR flag and go whoopdedoo.
You are completely lost."

Naw... those are strictly your own wet-dream fantasies, based on nothing more than your ability to... ah... jerk reality into something it's not.
You need to stop that, it'll make you go blind, focus instead on what is, and what should be.

That's the road back to sanity.

Kevmo: "America’s ‘Great Retreat’ is well underway
The US is rapidly lowering its military profile and backing away from commitments to allies in the Middle East and Asia"

I'd call those minor tactical adjustments, which may or may not have any long-term effects.
You might remember how, oddly, in December 1941 the US aircraft carriers were out to sea when big events happened at Pearl Harbor.
Nobody was talking about a "great retreat", it just happened they weren't there on the 7th.
Fortunately for us.

242 posted on 07/31/2021 9:02:08 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “***AGAIN you bring up Pearl Harbor, which was a sneak attack on AMERICAN SOIL.”
BroJerk’s response is to post a picture of an American Aircraft Carrier with the meme “4.5 acres of sovereign American territory. Where you need it. When you need it.”
***Of course, this completely ignores that such a huge thermal target is quite vulnerable to CURRENT chinese ASBM technology, that we would be using those ships to uphold an ally who has never declared independence and is currently a province of China, and that our super-duper weapons would be aimed at a civilian flotilla of chinese migrants moving to an internal chinese province. But let’s all enjoy brojerk’s insults while he blithely ignores these possibilities.

Kevmo: “This engagement in Taiwan will be us interfering with an ACKNOWLEDGED interior dispute on acknowledged Chinese soil.”

The US has always promised to support Taiwan against Chi-Com naked aggression, it goes back to at least 1950 and has never changed.
***It would not be naked aggression. It would be a flotilla of chinese civilians. And you “forgot” to acknowledge that the US acknowledges this is an interior dispute on acknowledged chinese soil.


243 posted on 07/31/2021 9:08:07 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

Taiwan will nuke them


244 posted on 07/31/2021 9:11:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “We lost stomach for the fight when 60k US died, we’ll luze stomach for the fight when 250k US soldiers die over an ungrateful ally who has not yet even declared independence.”

Those are just more of your own wet-dreams,
***AGAIN you refuse to address the hypothetical. You’re kinda like... a professional at this cover-your-ears-and-yell-”na nah nah nah” approach to debating. Very disingenuous. That accusation of disingenuous comes up an awful lot with you. You’re basically dishonest.

have nothing to do with reality — dream away, “jerk”.
***You are a disingenuous @$$#0/e.

Taiwan has no reason to declare “independence” from a Chi-Com government it doesn’t recognize.
***Fascinating. It took you THIS LONG to start addressing this point. It’s like pulling teeth with you. Taiwan has EVERY reason to declare REAL FRACKING INDEPENDENCE, none of this bullshiite “independence” double quote nonsense you’re coming up with. You can’t even address an issue without being a complete @$$ about it. Taiwan’s existence as an independent nation hangs in the balance but idiots like you are allowing their hubris to paint them into a corner.

As for your threats
***You really do go out of your way to misread things. Yet another sign of how disingenuous you are when we debate you. You’re simply an @$$Hole.

to kill 250k Americans, duly noted, so how many of your own people do you expect to lose in the process?
***You said sumthin sumthin?

Kevmo: “***Of COURSE not.
That’s what hypotheticals are all about.
So when you refuse to examine one set of hypotheticals but push your own set which ignores obvious parameters, you are being disingenuous.”

Nothing disingenuous about it
***It is absolutely and utterly clear to see how disingenuous you have been on this thread. At this point it’s just an exercise for the lurkers to see for themselves.

— I’m just not responsible for your own wet-dreams,
***Shut the frack up, @$$#0/e. Either address the issues or go play some of your stupid video games.

no matter how real & exciting they seem to you, they’re not my concern.
***You simply will not address issues so it becomes a lesson in dealing with a troll.

The absolute reality
***Depending on the administration at the time. Not very absolute.

is the US has long promised
***And long failed to deliver, for some allies. Because of that bullshiite ‘absolute reality’ of us going long on promises and short on political will.

to help defend Taiwan against naked Chi-Com aggression
***It will not be naked aggression. It will be an internal migration of civilians to an acknowledged internal province of a sovereign nation.

and no-doubt the exact form our help takes will depend on circumstances.
***More weaseling out. You’re professional at this.

So wet-dream away, “jerk”.
***Frack off, jerk.


245 posted on 07/31/2021 9:19:44 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “***That is how military planning works, numbN*ts.”

So now you’ve become a strategic military planner, but working
***You obviously do not know how military planning works. And you jump so quickly to straw arguments.

for whom?
***For me. For the USA. For indigenous peoples like the Kurds, and the Taiwanese (whom you so often misapply the term about).

The Chi-Coms?
***Frack off, @$$#0/e. You’re the one working for the chicoms by not acknowledging the facts on the ground.

The Biden administration?
***You’re the one upholding this bullshiite as good policy. Now your buddy Biden is in place, so how is it good policy? Eh? It aint, because he is throwing the ethnic Taiwanese under the bus.

Sure, I “get” it — your big idea, your wet dream
***Will you just fracking stop it, @$$#0/e? You seem to have some weird sexual Freudian thing about wet dreams. All of us need to take a shower after we read your sick words. Knock it off. Stick to the issues.

is to turn Taiwan over to the Chi-Coms without a fight.
***No, my approach is to declare independence and fight it out while we’re still strong enough to do so. That time is rapidly dwindling because of this ridiculous policy you uphold and because libtard pacifist China-appeasers are in charge now. But it won’t work unless it’s about Taiwan becoming an independent country.

You think that’ll make everything good,
***Really. Frack off. You are such an @$$#0/e.

I’m saying not so fast: it’ll only move the line of conflict from Taiwan out to some other Asian islands & countries.
***You’re SAYING this? You took THIS LONG to SAY this? You’re far more interested in telling another poster that he’s having wet dreams than you are in SAYING what your position is, and you’re professionally obtuse about not examining real facts on the ground. You are simply a jerk.

I’m saying
***NO. You are NOT SAYING that. You have been saying all kinds of shiite but are only getting around to this, whatever this is, right now. You have NOT been SAYING it. You seem to want all the discussion in such a way that you don’t have to address issues you just get to say what ya wanna say and tell the other side they’re having wet dreams so just simply... frack off.

there’s no limit to Chi-Com ambitions
***You have not developed this thesis whatsoever. It would need its own thread but you’re too much of a pu$$y to open your own thread.

and there’s no benefit to be gained by kowtowing to them.
***You ARE kowtowing to them by upholding the policy that will lead to Taiwan’s doom.

Kevmo: “***We are ALREADY in range of their most lethal missiles. Duhh. Blindingly obvious gigantic duhh factor.”

They are also
***OMG. You ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE something that was written in furtherence of a position you disagree with, a FACT. I do believe this is the first time this has happened with you on this thread, and it possibly could be the first time it has ever happened with you, ever.

in range of our missiles. Duhh. Blindingly obvious gigantic duhh factor.
***Yup. All those civilian sampan migrators will be perfect targets. PR Nightmare. And of course when this all goes pear-shaped we can come back to folks like YOU to make things right? Nope. Just as I thought. You folks are sociopaths.

We are also not entirely helpless in the face of their missiles — Iron Dome, Patriots, THAADS, Aegis, lasers, etc.
***All it takes is one of those ASBMs to get through. America would luze about 10,000 men and $500Billion for each aircraft carrier lost. At the cost of perhaps $10M for the missile that knocks out the carrier. And notice that it took you THIS LONG to start addressing the issues. You’re just a jerk.

We can defend ourselves if necessary.
***But we won’t be able to stop a civilian-led invasion of Taiwan.

Kevmo: “***It is certainly a very distinct possibility.
One that you refuse to address.
Because you’re so obtuse.”

“Obtuse” is you, pal.
***Oh what a fun game you have invented. You’re obtuse. No, you’re obtuse. Frack off, sociopath.

You have no clue — zero, zip, nada clue — what you’re talking about.
***I have a very strong clue. You’re only NOW addressing issues after all the invective gets poured. That makes you a fracking sociopath.

The reality is the US has been working on anti-missile defense since Pres. Reagan’s “Star Wars” in the 1980s,
***And we’re still 40 years away from putting a single Free Electron Laser up into space.

and we’re not helpless
***I did not say we were, so quit the fracking straw argumentation, sociopath.

— there are at least half a dozen different anti-missile systems capable of attacking incoming missiles at various points.
***And none of which CURRENTLY can guarantee taking out ALL ASBMs aimed at a carrier.

Nobody claims they’re all perfect,
***That is exactly the scenario I have been addressing, that you have been studiously and sociopathically avoiding. You’re quite the @$$#0/e.

but they should be good enough to make the Chi-Coms think more than twice about launching missiles against us.
***The chicoms would be launching missiles at a fleet of warships coming towards a civilian migration from internal provinces to another internal province of CHINA. Not that you are ever going to address such issues, sociopath.


246 posted on 07/31/2021 9:43:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “***The real question is, how many Americans must die before we withdraw from the fight, like we did in Vietnam?”
So, I “get” it,
***NO, you DO NOT fracking get it. You are NOT addressing the issue. That is what you do. You are a sociopath.


247 posted on 07/31/2021 9:44:45 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

Kevmo: “***The real question is, how many Americans must die before we withdraw from the fight, like we did in Vietnam?”
So... your long-term strategic plan is
***NO, @$$#0/e. I’ll post my long term strategic plan if you wanna discuss it in civil fashion, but you are using the standard tactic of straw argumentation because you are simply a fracking sociopath who would rather have invective than address issues.

to surrender everything always, defend nothing ever —
***STFU, sociopath. I am advocating that Taiwan declare independence so that we can fight for true independence for a true ally, and get rid of those ethnic chinese who are fifth columnists. Naturally, you want to uphold those 5th columnists because our previous policy was to kowtow to them.

let the Chi-Coms take whatever they wish whenever they wish it — kowtow now, kowtow forever, right?
***NO. Wrong. A$$#0/e. Learn how to address real issues. Stop arguing strawman bullshiite. Take a critical thinking class and quit being such a sociopath.

And speaking of Vietnam... there are/were people like Sen. McCain
***Who was responsible for 137 US sailors deaths on the USS Forrestal. His nickname was songbird in Hanoi. Yeah, I would expect a guy like him to be your fracking hero.

who’d claim that our tactical loss in Vietnam was actually a strategic victory in turning all Vietnam, and with it all Southeast Asia, into a fortress of anti-ChiCom countries.

For example, in the South China sea, Vietnam is on the side of the Philippines, Indonesia & others against naked Chinese aggressions.
***Here you go again, bringing up more red herring issues. Yet another classic fallacy. Take that critical thinking class.

Kevmo: “***I will answer your hypotheticals if you answer mine.”

You’re here to defend & kowtow to Chi-Coms,
***You don’t address the issues I bring up, you just throw down ridiculous insults so STFU, sociopath.

so you’re not going to answer anything honestly, are you?
***I am very honest when I assess that you have the character of a sociopath.

Kevmo: “Upthread I pointed out how Taiwan is divided roughly into thirds, 1/3 ethnic chinese with perhaps no more than half willing to fight as a fifth column for China against Taiwan; 1/3 ethnically Taiwanese who want their own country; 1/3 soyboys who don’t”

That is pure hypothetical speculation on your part
***Go ahead and give us the population breakdown YOURSELF, jerkoff, instead of labelling it hypothetical speculation. Go ahead. Do it. These kinds of issues are very well known to those on the ground but it’s not like we can count on you to check into this stuff because you’re simply a sociopath much more interested in trolling and insulting than in looking at issues.

— you have no clue what the real numbers are,
***I have not yet read the rest of your post but I can make a prediction right here: YOU WILL NOT POST The ‘REAL’ numbers. That is the standard sociopath way to argue. Someone posts conceptual or budgetary numbers and then @$$#0/es like you pretend that you can’t even address the ISSUES surrounding them without the “REAL” numbers and then you don’t even lift a finger to get the real numbers yourself. That’s a sign of a sociopath. You. Sociopath.

none, but you are so, so excited about a Chi-Com invasion you can’t see anything else.
***There you go again on your sociopath level ranting. ho hum

I don’t think many, if any, Taiwanese will respond favorably to naked Chi-Com aggressions.
***I really don’t care much what you think because you have shown yourself to be a first class a$$#0/e on this thread. All along this thread you conflate Taiwanese with ‘people who live in Taiwan’ even though there is a considerable faction of ethnic chinese [whom you would be dear friends with and uphold their position] who DON’T want Taiwan to be a sovereign nation, who WANT to be Chinese, who see themselves as superior so they should be in charge of China and Taiwan. Then you call it ‘naked’ chicom aggression, when it will be a civilian migration. That aint naked, that’s fully clothed, ya psychopath, so go have a wet dream over that.

Kevmo: “But you don’t address these obvious factualities because you are so disingenuous. That comes up a lot with you.”

Again,
***AGAIN you don’t address the issues at hand. Like a sociopath.

I’m not responsible for your wet-dream fantasies
***You should see a therapist about your need to label everything a wet dream.

— you can kowtow all you wish to your Chi-Com
***I say this very sincerely: Frack off, @$$#0/e.

overlords, but reality is very different, and you have no clues, none, as to what reality in Taiwan is.
***I have far more clues than you. It’s because you don’t know how to address issues and facts on the ground, your primary interest is invective. You are a sociopath.


248 posted on 07/31/2021 9:59:56 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: xzins

That’s a no-win game. China can survive a nuking. Taiwan can’t. That small island would be molten glass.


249 posted on 07/31/2021 10:00:52 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK
You're just a sociopath.


250 posted on 07/31/2021 10:03:05 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Notice how you just blithely ignore the point I made and start talking about sumthin else.
You really are a brojerk."

No, the truth is you just ignored my answer, which was exactly to your point: you complained our allies don't do enough to defend themselves and I pointed out that President Trump insisted they do more, and was successful!
So your problem with that is what, exactly "jerk".

Kevmo: "***And did Taiwan declare independence as a result? Nope.
But they sure are willing to spill American blood over their internal disputes."

First you fantasize a Taiwanese "Declaration of Independence" and then you go berserk when Taiwanese don't obey your fantasies?
Seriously, pal, you have a problem with reality you need to address -- it's not what you think.

Kevmo: "***That and a bowl of cherries might help you to evade further and we can all pretend you somehow made your original point.
You’re obfuscating."

Nonsense -- your point was our allies don't do enough to defend themselves and my response is that Pres. Trump got them to do much more than they were doing.
So what is your problem with that?

Kevmo: "***And yet, even now , you can’t seem to apply this lesson to Taiwan, acting as if luzing our carriers over this ungrateful ally would be tantamount to Pearl Harbor."

Well... you've certainly been a grateful ally to the Chi-Coms, kowtowing to their every wish & desire.
I hope you are well compensated for such gratefulness.

As for Taiwan, they are arguably the most grateful ally we have -- who else even comes close?
Do you think Israel is a grateful ally?
We send them $billions to be grateful for.
We send Taiwan nothing, zero, nada -- instead they pay us for everything military.
I'd call that gratitude of the highest order.

As for Pearl Harbor, the historical fact is the Japanese would not have attacked our fleet there if President Roosevelt had left it where it had always been -- in California.
The Japanese only began to plan their attack when FDR moved the fleet -- forward deployed it -- closer to Japan, to Hawaii.
Today the US fleets are forward deployed in Japan, Korea, and other bases all around the western Pacific.

If the Chi-Coms attack our fleets, it will be the same as Pearl Harbor.

Kevmo: "***that is MY point, not YOUR point.
You’re the one pushing to spill American blood over an ally who never declared independence."

You're the one going insane over your fantasies of a Taiwanese "Declaration of Independence" -- you need to get over that, it's not reality.
Taiwan is what it is -- they are our friends, our allies, our peaceful trading partners, and they do not deserve naked military aggression from the Chi-Coms.
If we allow Chi-Com success -- especially if relatively cost free -- then they will simply move the point of aggression to some other country, like South Korea.
Retreat will not end well for us.

Kevmo: "***You go ahead and depend on those politicians, sparky.
And when we luze tens of thousands of men, we’ll watch you jump up and down to rally around the flag.
It is people like you that should be sent in FIRST."

Naw... you should go first, kowtow to your Chi-Com masters in Beijing, tell them there are mean SOBs in America who don't want them messing with Taiwan, so they should leave well enough alone.
I think if you kowtowed low enough, kissed enough of their rears and spoke all the right words -- they'd listen to you... sure they would...

Kevmo: "***You’re trying to introduce other sets of elements in a Red Herring strategy, a violation of Occham’s Razor.
Yet another way to tell that you have lost the argument."

But you've made no argument for me to lose -- all you've done is babble nonsense, wet dream fantasies and, in effect: "run away, run away, be very afraid of those Chi-Com bullies".

Kevmo: "***Notice how you keep adding these bullshiite elements.
Now you’re engaging a circular argument fallacy, trying to argue the point I’ve been making all along.
Best of luck relying on the US political leadership for doing the right thing for our allies."

And yet again, you've made no points here, all you've done instead is babble nonsense, your wet-dream fantasies of victorious Chi-Coms, and now, just to put icing on your cake, you admit that defending Taiwan is "doing the right thing for our allies."

Seriously, FRiend, you are very confused & disoriented, you can't tell up from down, left from right or even, right from wrong.
You need to clear your head & start over.

Kevmo: "***Frack off.
I do NOT ignore this.
YOU ignore the stuff I have been saying. We have a historical commitment to FORMOSA, from the time Chang Kai Shek moved his luzing forces onto that island and decided they were the rightful rulers of Taiwan AND China.
How is THAT ignoring the historical commitment we have made to our ally?"

So, now you pretend you recognize our long-term historical commitment to help defend "Formosa"-Taiwan?
And yet you wish us to cut & run in the face of naked Chi-Com aggression?
How does that work inside your brain?

Kevmo: "***Again, frack off.
YOU ignored my analysis that about 1/3 of the people in Taiwan are Taiwanese.
About 1/3 are soyboys, and about 1/3 are ethnic chinese, no more than half of whom are ready to take up arms against the Taiwanese in a 5th column.
YOU IGNORE THIS.
So frack off."

Because those numbers are nothing more than your own insane fantasies.
You have no clue what the real numbers are as to how many Taiwanese will fight to defend their country.
I'm here to tell you that virtually all Taiwanese will fight to defend against naked Chi-Com aggression.
And we will help them.

The result could help bring the end of the Chi-Com rule -- analogous to the old Soviets in Afghanistan.

Kevmo: "***You caused a rift by being such an @$$#0/e.
Now you’re trying circular reasoning, obfuscation, and other classic fallacies.
You are lost."

Now you're just babbling more nonsense -- what "rift"?
Who's "rifting" from whom?
Are you "rifting" from somebody somewhere, and if so, who?

Tell us about this "rift" that has you so concerned.

Kevmo: "***Hold up a mirror, pal.
Try to get rid of those logical fallacies you keep using.
Take a critical thinking class.
Take a writing class.
Take a morals class.
Then get back to us and we can help clean up the rest of yfour bullshiite."

You have no clue what you're talking about, you're just babbling nonsense to make yourself feel good.
You should go kowtow more to your Chi-Com masters, go learn what more they want you to do & say.

Then get back to us.

251 posted on 07/31/2021 10:28:51 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: blam

The Taiwan Strait is 81 miles at its narrowest point. The Chinese have lots of options.

They can send a few thousand inflatable boats with outboard motors, with 10 troops each, toward the beaches. A few thousand helicopters can ferry troops across, then come back for another load.


252 posted on 07/31/2021 10:29:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***You are completely full of shiite, anyone can go back on this thread and see you’re the first to start tossing insults, brojerk."

You were in first with the most insulting insults.
I merely to keep up with your disrespectful language.

But it's not too late FRiend -- you can start to be respectful anytime you want, you will see your respect returned in full.

Kevmo: "***I have been giving you far more respect than you deserve, brojerk."

If that's your idea of "respect", then you'd have no reason to complain about my words back to you, would you?

253 posted on 07/31/2021 10:35:03 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK
You. Sociopath.

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254 posted on 07/31/2021 10:38:59 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
You. Sociopath


255 posted on 07/31/2021 10:39:53 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK
Sociopath


256 posted on 07/31/2021 10:40:18 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: RomanSoldier19; Jeff Head

I wish Jeff Head were around to comment.


257 posted on 07/31/2021 10:52:23 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Play with knives long enough and you will eventually bleed.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Here we go again, with you and your fallacies.
Now it’s time for the Red Herring.
Look! a Squirrel!"

Nonsense, I again addressed your point exactly, your point was that our government's policies should be based on such things as treaties, laws & agreements, not on which political party is in charge at any particular time, right?

I merely explained that US presidents are given a lot of discretion in executing the laws, and I pointed to our immigration laws as an example -- not a "red herring", but on-point exactly.
In the case of Taiwan specifically, our laws & treaties require us to help in Taiwan's defense, but they also provide the President with latitude in how we help, and how much help we give.

Kevmo: "***Which is MY point, long before we had a commie-pacifist libtard as president.
NOT your point. MY point."

No, no, FRiend, your point is you want us to kowtow to the Chi-Coms, kiss their rears and make nicey-nice with them while they invade and genocide the Taiwanese, right?

I'm saying you should be the one to go and explain to your Chi-Coms how nicey-nice we're going to be while they murder millions of Taiwanese.

Would you do that for us, please?
Let us know what they say.

258 posted on 07/31/2021 10:53:40 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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259 posted on 07/31/2021 11:15:22 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19 (Game over, man! Game over! ; : rem ad triarios redisse is)
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Kevmo: "***In the 1970s, China had a standing army of 200 million.
Cutting down to 100 million is easy.
You remind me of the generals who opposed Billy Mitchell — he was specifically instructed not to carry 2000 pound bombs in his demonstration because “our enemies wouldn’t do that” and he wiped out the whole concept of battleships as a result.
You are fracking clueless."

FRiend, please, you don't have to be a math genius to know that's pure nonsense, you only have to be literate, and look it up.
The Chinese People's Liberation Army, including reserves, is today circa 4.4 million and that is down about two million from, say, 30 years ago.
Add another 1.0 million for their Navy & Air Forces and we're looking at, maybe, 5.5 million total, not your claimed 100 million much less 200 million, those numbers are insane.

The US total military, including reserves is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.0 million.
So the Chinese PLA definitely outnumbers the US military, though we still enjoy a huge advantage in quality of equipment & training.
However, if you add in the populations and militaries of our allies -- from Japan to Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Australia, plus others who could help in an emergency including India, Indonesia & even Vietnam -- then the military forces opposing the Chi-Coms could easily exceed the maximum even population-rich mainland China might draft.


260 posted on 07/31/2021 11:23:30 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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