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To: Ken Regis

Notice in Genesis 2:5 …….. there was NOT a man to till the ground. Then after the seventh day of rest the Creator formed the first ‘farmer’ and placed him in a garden.. even the historical record contains Hunter/gathers long before ‘farming’. (My iPad keeps capitalizing ‘Hunter’ for me.)


26 posted on 07/21/2021 11:22:43 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Aye. “Man” and “Adam” are given 2 different words. And the “Day of rest” indicates that the work resumed on Monday.


28 posted on 07/21/2021 11:29:26 AM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Just mythoughts
First, creation was completed on Day 6. “And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.”

These words affirm that God had completed His work. Four times it is said that He finished His work, and three times it is said that this included all His work. Present processes in the universe reflect God sustaining that completed creation, not more creation (cf. Heb. 1:3).
Source: MacArthur

Centered initially on the garden of Eden, the episodes that make up Genesis, Chapter 2 recount how God’s ordered creation is thrown into chaos by the human couple’s disobedience. Genesis 2 is not a simple parallel account of creation; rather, beginning with the account of the creation of man and women, the narrative tells what became of that creation. As a beginning, the construction of 2:4-7 forms a fine parallel to the construction of 1:1-3. The subject matter of each תּוֹלְדֹת (tolédot, "this is the account of") section of the book traces a decline or a deterioration through to the next beginning point, and each is thereby a microcosm of the book which begins with divine blessing in the garden, and ends with a coffin in Egypt. So, what became of the creation? Gen 2:4-4:26 will explain that sin entered the world and all but destroyed God's perfect creation.
(Source:ESV Study Bible Notes)

Gen 2:4-7
In the creation of Adam the contrast is striking: against the background of a time when there was no life, no growth, no rain, no one to till the ground, God took great care in forming man. The arrangement in these verses includes a title (v. 4), three circumstantial clauses beginning in the Hebrew with “when” (“when” no shrub ... had yet appeared, “when” there was no man to work the ground, “when” streams ... watered the ... ground), and the verb beginning the narrative (and [He] formed). This mirrors chapter 1 (title, 1:1; circumstantial clauses, 1:2; and the first of the narrative verbs, 1:3).
(Source: Bible Knowledge Commentary)

The chronology which one often finds in the marginal notes of many of the older Bibles, notably in the Authorized Version of King James, is not a part of the Bible itself by any means! Archbishop Usher arrived at the date of 4004 B.C. by using his calculations of the years in the patriarchal genealogies (Gen. 5; 11). A comparison of these genealogies with those in the Gospels will reveal that biblical genealogies are not necessarily complete by design nor were they given to allow us to calculate the span of time between various events in the early history of man. They present certain significant names and omit others. Therefore, they cannot be used to establish the date of creation. The earliest time from which we can calculate calendar years with approximate accuracy is the time of Abraham. The age which one prescribes for the earth is extremely dependant on one's view of creation.

It is well known that there seem to be two different accounts of creation in the first two chapters of Genesis, but this need not cause us to conclude that they are incompatible, as some have suggested. The two sections actually complement each other. Genesis 1:1-2:4a presents a wide-angle view of all seven days of creation and deals with the creation of man and woman as a single act. Then in 2:4b-24 the author focuses on the sixth day, giving details which were not mentioned in the overview in chapter one. The separate origins of man and woman are brought into sharp focus. Therefore, chapters one and two are not in chronological sequence, but Genesis 2:4b-24 presents in greater detail some of what Genesis 1:11, 12, 24-31 merely summarizes

(Source: Complete Word Study Bible)

2:5 a tn Heb "Now every sprig of the field before it was." The verb forms, although appearing to be imperfects, are technically preterites coming after the adverb טֶּרֶם (terem). The word order (conjunction + subject + predicate) indicates a disjunctive clause, which provides background information for the following narrative (as in 1:2). Two negative clauses are given ("before any sprig ", and "before any cultivated grain" existed), followed by two causal clauses explaining them, and then a positive circumstantial clause is given - again dealing with water as in 1:2 (water would well up). 2:5 b tn The first term, שִׂיחַ (siakh), probably refers to the wild, uncultivated plants (see Gen 21:15; Job 30:4, 7); whereas the second, עֵשֶׂב ('esev), refers to cultivated grains. It is a way of saying: "back before anything was growing." 2:5 c tn The two causal clauses explain the first two disjunctive clauses: There was no uncultivated, general growth because there was no rain, and there were no grains because there was no man to cultivate the soil. sn The last clause in v. 5, "and there was no man to cultivate the ground," anticipates the curse and the expulsion from the garden (Gen 3:23).
Source: Net Bible Notes

31 posted on 07/21/2021 12:47:44 PM PDT by Ken Regis
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To: Just mythoughts

PM


35 posted on 07/21/2021 3:35:30 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: Just mythoughts; kinsman redeemer
"Notice in Genesis 2:5 …….. there was NOT a man to till the ground. Then after the seventh day of rest the Creator formed the first ‘farmer’ and placed him in a garden.. even the historical record contains Hunter/gathers long before ‘farming’. (My iPad keeps capitalizing ‘Hunter’ for me.)"

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:4-7)

Genesis 1 is what provides a chronological record of creation events in which it is "days" plural, while in Genesis 2 we have a summary of cp. 1 of "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens" with supplementary details. As for the sppsd contradiction of Genesis 1:11-13 with Genesis 2:5, the latter all belongs under "the day that the Lord God made..." with the waters below and above the firmament (thus "a mist" rising up "from the earth" but no rain - details not seen in cp. 1) on the 2nd day, and every herb of the field on the 3rd day. And that "there was not a man to till the ground" is not speaking chronologically but in summary (God created nature in days 1-5 but there was no manager of it yet), and does not mean there a man who could do so but was not charged with doing so, but both the creation of nature and man also belongs under "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens and of the earth when they were created."

And as for "God planted a Garden" prior to the forming of Eve, Gill shows us that the word is understood by some as meaning "had planted," which conflates with God having "given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." (Genesis 1:29) on the 3rd day. (Gn. 1:11,12) And that God made Adam first (Genesis 2:20-24) and places man in the Garden before the creation of Eve is another supplementary detail that fits within Gn. 1:26,27. There simply is no real basis for making Gn. 2:5 to teach that after the seventh day of rest the Creator formed Man, even if it may be postulated that the Garden was made subsequent to the creation of Adam.

54 posted on 07/29/2021 9:05:38 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Just mythoughts

Easy fix. And ‘hunter’ to your dictionary.


64 posted on 07/30/2021 4:36:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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