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Human Evolution Story in Tatters. Another skull scrambles the paleoanthropology story.
Crev.info ^ | 7-20-2021 | Jerry Bergman

Posted on 07/21/2021 9:51:28 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: BroJoeK

https://crev.info/author/jbergman/

Dr. Jerry Bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology for over 40 years at several colleges and universities including Bowling Green State University, Medical College of Ohio where he was a research associate in experimental pathology, and The University of Toledo.

He is a graduate of the Medical College of Ohio, Wayne State University in Detroit, the University of Toledo, and Bowling Green State University.

He has over 1,300 publications in 12 languages and 40 books and monographs.

His books and textbooks that include chapters that he authored are in over 1,500 college libraries in 27 countries.

So far over 80,000 copies of the 40 books and monographs that he has authored or co-authored are in print.

For more articles by Dr Bergman, see his Author Profile. He was formerly a staff scientist at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) and now is with Genesis Apologetics.

Dr. Bergman has spoken over 2,000 times to college, university and church groups in America, Canada, Europe, Asia, and Africa. He is available to speak at churches and colleges. His contact information is as follows...


41 posted on 07/21/2021 6:20:22 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: billyboy15

He gave us free will.


42 posted on 07/21/2021 6:36:26 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: Ken Regis
“ Present processes in the universe reflect God sustaining that completed creation, not more creation.”

I have no doubt that gravity is one of those processes.

43 posted on 07/21/2021 6:58:22 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: fishtank

I guess Dragon Man didn't remind anyone of Gimli ....

44 posted on 07/21/2021 7:00:49 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

45 posted on 07/21/2021 7:01:31 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: Just mythoughts
? - ?

It's a Place Marker

46 posted on 07/21/2021 8:23:53 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: circlecity

BBQ was on Sunday.


47 posted on 07/21/2021 11:56:14 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Jan_Sobieski

“Mutations are always detrimental.’

Interesting point. Can’t think of any examples to refute it. Thanks for giving a full stop this am to ponder that!


48 posted on 07/22/2021 12:04:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: fishtank; Bayan; Reily
fishtank: "Dr. Jerry Bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology for over 40 years "

Bayan: "His PhD has nothing to do with the subject, he’s a fraud."

Right.
I was most impressed by how stupid & dishonest Bergman sounds, i.e., "Human Evolution Story in Tatters. Another skull scrambles the paleoanthropology story. What is the reason for so many rewrites of human evolution?""

That's not science talking, it's nonsense, beginning here: his article is not talking about "another skull", but rather two, one (from China) dates to 1933, remained hidden for decades and so may be of little use scientifically.
The other (from Israel) is very partial and may, or may not, suggest interbreeding between ancient humans and Neanderthals.
Neither skull merits the nonsense of Bergman's lead.

From Bergman's article:

What's stupid here is Bergman makes it sound like there's more than one Chinese Homo longi Harbin skull, there isn't.
There's only one, found in 1933, kept hidden for decades, only recently studied by Chi-com scientists.
That makes their results at a minimum suspect.

All that I learned with a bit of googling.
Bergman is just babbling nonsense.

49 posted on 07/22/2021 5:31:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: HandyDandy

Yes. What you said.

Job 38:33-37
“Do you know the ordinances of the heavens,
Or fix their rule over the earth?
“Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
So that an abundance of water will cover you?
“Can you send forth lightnings that they may go
And say to you, ‘Here we are’?
read more.
“Who has put wisdom in the innermost being
Or given understanding to the mind?
“Who can count the clouds by wisdom,
Or tip the water jars of the heavens,

Hebrews 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

Psalm 135:6-7
Whatever the Lord pleases, He does,
In heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps.
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
Who makes lightnings for the rain,
Who brings forth the wind from His treasuries.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Matthew 10:29-30
Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in Him all things

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


50 posted on 07/22/2021 6:40:59 AM PDT by Ken Regis
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To: BroJoeK
Bergmann & Fishtank desperately want science to be like dogma & they desperately want dogma to be like science.
51 posted on 07/22/2021 8:25:00 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily; BroJoeK

52 posted on 07/22/2021 8:11:27 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank; Reily

What mark?


53 posted on 07/24/2021 8:12:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Just mythoughts; kinsman redeemer
"Notice in Genesis 2:5 …….. there was NOT a man to till the ground. Then after the seventh day of rest the Creator formed the first ‘farmer’ and placed him in a garden.. even the historical record contains Hunter/gathers long before ‘farming’. (My iPad keeps capitalizing ‘Hunter’ for me.)"

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:4-7)

Genesis 1 is what provides a chronological record of creation events in which it is "days" plural, while in Genesis 2 we have a summary of cp. 1 of "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens" with supplementary details. As for the sppsd contradiction of Genesis 1:11-13 with Genesis 2:5, the latter all belongs under "the day that the Lord God made..." with the waters below and above the firmament (thus "a mist" rising up "from the earth" but no rain - details not seen in cp. 1) on the 2nd day, and every herb of the field on the 3rd day. And that "there was not a man to till the ground" is not speaking chronologically but in summary (God created nature in days 1-5 but there was no manager of it yet), and does not mean there a man who could do so but was not charged with doing so, but both the creation of nature and man also belongs under "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens and of the earth when they were created."

And as for "God planted a Garden" prior to the forming of Eve, Gill shows us that the word is understood by some as meaning "had planted," which conflates with God having "given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." (Genesis 1:29) on the 3rd day. (Gn. 1:11,12) And that God made Adam first (Genesis 2:20-24) and places man in the Garden before the creation of Eve is another supplementary detail that fits within Gn. 1:26,27. There simply is no real basis for making Gn. 2:5 to teach that after the seventh day of rest the Creator formed Man, even if it may be postulated that the Garden was made subsequent to the creation of Adam.

54 posted on 07/29/2021 9:05:38 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
I think you are following ‘false’ prophets. There was NO ‘farmer’ created on the sixth day ... look what those created were given dominion over ... and then to say after that there was NO man to till the ground... is NOT a summary it is a continuation of the ‘chronological record’.

History documents outside the Written Word the ‘age’ of the hunter/ gathers... The Adam, which means to show blood in the face was created on the ‘8th’ day ... Revelation notes the ‘key of David’, and David was described as fair and ruddy and was in the ‘blood line of Christ’.

55 posted on 07/29/2021 10:40:07 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Just mythoughts; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ...
"I think you are following ‘false’ prophets. There was NO ‘farmer’ created on the sixth day ... look what those created were given dominion over ... and then to say after that there was NO man to till the ground... is NOT a summary it is a continuation of the ‘chronological record’. History documents outside the Written Word the ‘age’ of the hunter/ gathers... The Adam, which means to show blood in the face was created on the ‘8th’ day ... Revelation notes the ‘key of David’, and David was described as fair and ruddy and was in the ‘blood line of Christ’."

Rather, I am defending Scriptural substantiated historical doctrine, while it is you who is following a false teacher if you believe that man was created on the ‘8th’ day, in direct contradiction to what Genesis 1 chronologically states the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit as well as man to subdue and have dominion over all the earth.

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:23-31)

Indeed there was a period in which existed " every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". (Genesis 2:5-7) for this before and after all fits into Gn. 1. In which there was no vegetation or mist or man/farmer, but all of which was created in that 3rd to 6th day period detailed therein.

And in Gn. 1 is where man is given charge to multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and which replenishing and subduing (I know how much that is needed in gardening!) includes what Gn. 2 refers to as tilling the ground.

Moreover, the genealogy of Christ goes back to Adam, and who affirms Gn. 1:26,27 as well as Gn. 2:24 as going together. (Mt. 19:4-6)

But perhaps someone else wants to add something.

56 posted on 07/29/2021 6:05:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: SuperLuminal
I believe I spotted him (Dragon Man) in the insurrection mob desecrating the Nation's Capital Outhouse...

Don’t most Democrats look like that?

57 posted on 07/29/2021 6:23:56 PM PDT by Mark17 (Air Traffic Controller, retired. Father of US Air Force 1st Lieutenant, and trained combat pilot )
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To: daniel1212
No, Daniel, the Scripture is what is lacking in the so called defense. The man Adam was formed after the 7th day that Scripture says the Heavenly Father rested… Genesis 1 quite aptly lays out the chronology of events… and those that were told to replenish the earth were described as good.

Now Peter tells us how the Heavenly Father keeps time.. ‘a day with the Lord is as a thousand years….’ So at minimum from the creation of man in Genesis 1 to the formation of the man Adam in Genesis 2, would be a thousand years. Might be up to 3 thousand years depending exactly the date they were created..

The man Adam was by Scripture the first farmer, and those animals he named would be domesticated creatures.. History records the age of Hunter/gathers that predates farming, or agricultural based societies. Might put it this way, the Garden of God, called Eden was the first recorded ‘farm’..

As it is Written God is not the author of confusion, (Babel…Babylon) and He gave to Moses His chronology of what He did.

58 posted on 07/29/2021 6:50:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Just mythoughts
"No, Daniel, the Scripture is what is lacking in the so called defense. The man Adam was formed after the 7th day that Scripture says the Heavenly Father rested… Genesis 1 quite aptly lays out the chronology of events… and those that were told to replenish the earth were described as good. Now Peter tells us how the Heavenly Father keeps time.. ‘a day with the Lord is as a thousand years….’ So at minimum from the creation of man in Genesis 1 to the formation of the man Adam in Genesis 2, would be a thousand years. Might be up to 3 thousand years depending exactly the date they were created.. The man Adam was by Scripture the first farmer, and those animals he named would be domesticated creatures.. History records the age of Hunter/gathers that predates farming, or agricultural based societies. Might put it this way, the Garden of God, called Eden was the first recorded ‘farm’.. As it is Written God is not the author of confusion, (Babel…Babylon) and He gave to Moses His chronology of what He did. "

Rather, Scripture is what is lacking in your so called defense. Gn. 1 clearly states that man and women were created on the 6th day, and which Christ references as being so, and ties Gn. 1:26,27 in with Gn. 2:24. Gn. 1 states that that all creation was finished on the 6th, and multiple texts affirm this. Meanwhile ‘But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8) is a simile, not literal, and if you want to make it literal then since a thousand years is as one day then the millennial reign of Christ will only be one day. However, what this simile teaches that God is not bound by time. And since you deny what is plainly written and misunderstand the summary supplementary nature of Gn. 2 then it is you who is an author of confusion. Repent.

59 posted on 07/30/2021 2:18:35 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: fishtank

Why just ‘human’ evolution?

From Goo to You has many unexplained (and unexplainable) twists and turns.

What kind of goo started the plants?

What kind started animals, insects, fish, exoskeltons??

Which came first - the penis or the vagina???

How many times did goo produce LIFE before LIFE decided to learn how to reproduce?


60 posted on 07/30/2021 4:31:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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