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Philadelphia's electric bus fleet has disappeared
Hot Air ^ | July 17,2021 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 07/17/2021 7:38:43 PM PDT by Hojczyk

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To: Brian Griffin

When I was a kid in Montebello, Ca. we used to catch two trolley lines to the beach.

DAMN; that really dates me, doesn’t it!


61 posted on 07/18/2021 12:44:17 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: ocrp1982
they never learn from past mistakes

They live in a participation trophy award world with an endless stream of tax dollars and a fawning media.

62 posted on 07/18/2021 2:51:49 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Paladin2

Yes, lead acid.

CC


63 posted on 07/18/2021 3:41:21 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Organic Panic
"I would love to know which politician had their fingers in the bus manufacturing company."

Would you believe Canadian born Jennifer Granholm, Biden's new Energy Department Tsar, and ex Governor of Michigan? She's a director of Proterra. She claims to have resigned after being named Energy Secretary. She also pocketed $ millions in the process.

64 posted on 07/18/2021 3:53:32 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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To: Paladin2

Chicago had those also up to the 1960’s. Wow, the overhead wiring was ugly and dilapidated. Electrical cables taped up with balls of tape as big as your fist. I remember my grandfather and I were helping the bus driver keeping the “brushes” at the back of the bus on the overhead wires as we went along. What would OSHA think about that today???


65 posted on 07/18/2021 4:00:51 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: Paladin2
They used to be called Street Cars.

This is a 1960s street car {being followed by a new fangled "bus"}using over head electrical wires and tracks in Pittsburgh.


66 posted on 07/18/2021 4:25:57 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: 2banana
Back when the Washington DC subway system plans were released with very limited service lines I was staggered by the projected construction costs.

Quick napkin calculations suggested that every man, woman, and child ( census numbers) could be provided with new median priced sedan every year for twenty years. Annual operating costs weren't added in consideration.

Think of the increased productivity and wealth creation not to mention increased tax revenues.

And of course the actual construction costs exceeded the projected costs as usual...while the much touted increased job numbers never fully materialized.

Somewhere I still have that sheet of calcs....

67 posted on 07/18/2021 4:33:14 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and fools who can not govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Hojczyk

Current US Secretary of Energy and former failure of a Governess Jennifer Granholm was a member of the bus company board of directors.

Something else she failed at.


68 posted on 07/18/2021 4:57:11 AM PDT by cyclotic (Live your life in such a way that they hate you as much as they hated Rush Limbaugh)
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To: USS Alaska

I think that’s a Buick station wagon in the background. When I was a kid, my mom had the Oldsmobile version of that beast. It was like driving a bus.

Had a 454 engine (all gas, no electric (just so as not to hijack the thread)

It burned a quarter tank of gas just to get to school and back.


69 posted on 07/18/2021 5:05:17 AM PDT by cyclotic (Live your life in such a way that they hate you as much as they hated Rush Limbaugh)
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To: cyclotic
When I was a kid, my mom had the Oldsmobile version of that beast. It was like driving a bus.

When I got out of the service in 1962, I bought a used Olds rag top {and it really was a rag top} for $300.

Had it painted at Earl Sheib's for $29.00 and my Italian Grand Mother hand sewed the leaky rag top {and it really worked!!}.

Those Oldsmobiles {and most other cars of the times} were built like tanks and could really take a beating.

We called it the "Rolls Hardly", rolled down one hill and hardly made the next, but it was a fun car and the girls loved it.

Memories that send me to Confession according to Jimmah Carter...sinned in his heart:)

70 posted on 07/18/2021 5:27:45 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: USS Alaska

My dad had this weird fringe benefit where the company paid for gas in my moms car.

I drove that monster car and didn’t drive for efficiency.


71 posted on 07/18/2021 5:45:41 AM PDT by cyclotic (Live your life in such a way that they hate you as much as they hated Rush Limbaugh)
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To: All

Philly had a complete system of both street track and trackless trolleys, in addition to the conventional buses, subways and elevated “The El” . Rode the 66 for many years. This piece is dated but useful in a glimpse of the history of Philly trolleys...

Philadelphia has the longest continuous operation of trackless trolleys in the United States.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/SEPTA_Trackless_Trolley_Lines


72 posted on 07/18/2021 5:50:30 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: PeterPrinciple
I'm curious as to where these batteries go after their usable life has ended. They can't be reused and are definitely toxic to the environment.

Do liberals ever actually ........ think?

73 posted on 07/18/2021 5:51:08 AM PDT by LouAvul (Lying headlines from fake news articles written by pimps masquerading as journalists.)
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To: Prov1322

And, as a bonus, 192 pages of liberal drivel on “re-imagining” transit...NO ONE will be held accountable for the massive, predictable failures identified within...

The Philadelphia Transit Plan
Full Plan Document
February 2021

https://www.phila.gov/media/20210222110702/OTIS-Philadelphia-Transit-Plan.pdf


74 posted on 07/18/2021 5:58:27 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Hojczyk
The city paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant.

The city TAXPAYERS paid $24 million for the 25 new Proterra buses, subsidized in part by a $2.6 million federal grant PAID FOR BY US TAXPAYERS.

Oopsie. Sorry we wasted your money

75 posted on 07/18/2021 6:21:17 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: Hojczyk

Paywall. Thanks for nothin.


76 posted on 07/18/2021 6:47:05 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Hojczyk

When I was a kid visiting NYC, I remember buses being powered by overhead electric lines. They had a big rod attached to the overhead electric line if I remember right.


77 posted on 07/18/2021 6:52:03 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Frank Luntz's Head Rug Is Transitioning to Muskrat)
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To: Hojczyk

Moe and the boys build bus.


78 posted on 07/18/2021 7:56:49 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Hojczyk

These green bus experiments all seem to fail because of poor design or totally unrealistic expectations. The Minneapolis school district some years ago decided to fuel its diesel buses with “biodiesel” a concoction of diesel and soybean oils. On the first cold day the buses stalled because biodiesel gelled in cold temperatures leaving buses full of school kids stranded in freezing weather. The Metropolitan Council, an unelected quasi government in the Twin Cities, similarly with great hoopla bought some electric buses less than two years ago. They too were quickly abandoned for similar problems to those in Philadelphia.

I have to laugh that Ford and other automakers, under government largesse, are rolling out electric pickup trucks that are totally impractical for the jobs that farmers, ranchers and contractors need pickups.


79 posted on 07/18/2021 8:24:32 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Paladin2
The batteries endured some kind of Acid Test?

Yes. An Electric Kool Aid Acid Test as Tom Wolfe would put it.

80 posted on 07/18/2021 8:42:35 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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