“Dear Southerners....We hate you and everything about you and your despicable soldiers who died for what they believed. Signed....the Dems.”
“Dems”?
I take it that you don’t often read threads here touching on the Confederacy. FR has its own rabid band of South haters and I’m quite certain that they aren’t Democrats.
Oddly enough they are notably missing from this thread. I wonder why...
Well there may be some general "South haters" in the bunch, but the current south and the Confederacy are two very different things. Where the arguments usually take off is between those who read actual history and acknowledge the reality the Confederacy was indeed formed due to belief in slavery and white supremacy, and those who adhered to the mythology that it was about "liberty" and "states rights." The actual documentation proves beyond any doubt the former is correct and the latter is completely false.
And it isn't what someone else said about the Confederacy, it is what they said about themselves. Their own politicians said it about themselves. You don't have to read what someone else says about them or about what they said - you can read what they said themselves. You can read the editorials. I take them at their word. Their own statutes / resolutions passed to secede said that is what it was all about. You don't have to read a summary of what they wrote, or what someone said they wrote - you can read every word of these resolutions completely unfiltered. I also take them at their word. Many of these same individuals after they were defeated and slavery was wiped out got to work and started writing an alternative history to save face which many latched onto and spread around today - but what they said in the lead up and during secession, not to mention the resolutions of secession themselves, are obviously authoritative as to why they did what they did and not their efforts to whitewash history later to salvage their reputations.
Pointing this reality out is where you get lashed out at - usually just getting cussed out or the equivalent without even arguing the material you cited was false...because they don't care. It's sort of like a secular religion and they don't want their false worldview shattered by reality.
Nobody hates Southerners. What we hate is whitewashing what the confederacy was and did.
Do you oppose slavery? Yes? Then you would have been assaulted or lynched in the confederacy.
The confederacy was a democrat temper tantrum that split the nation and resulted in a civil war, no different than what we're seeing from the democrats now.
The modern south has no more to do with the confederacy than modern Germans or Japanese have to do with their past regimes.
The only thing that ties you or anyone to them is choice. Fine. If you want to run around in stars and bars pretending the democrats were lying in their own declarations of causes for secession, have at it. And if you want to accuse us of being haters for not playing along, go ahead.
But please don't embarrass the right by adopting the dems' history as ours.