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I take it that you don’t often read threads here touching on the Confederacy. FR has its own rabid band of South haters and I’m quite certain that they aren’t Democrats.

Well there may be some general "South haters" in the bunch, but the current south and the Confederacy are two very different things. Where the arguments usually take off is between those who read actual history and acknowledge the reality the Confederacy was indeed formed due to belief in slavery and white supremacy, and those who adhered to the mythology that it was about "liberty" and "states rights." The actual documentation proves beyond any doubt the former is correct and the latter is completely false.

And it isn't what someone else said about the Confederacy, it is what they said about themselves. Their own politicians said it about themselves. You don't have to read what someone else says about them or about what they said - you can read what they said themselves. You can read the editorials. I take them at their word. Their own statutes / resolutions passed to secede said that is what it was all about. You don't have to read a summary of what they wrote, or what someone said they wrote - you can read every word of these resolutions completely unfiltered. I also take them at their word. Many of these same individuals after they were defeated and slavery was wiped out got to work and started writing an alternative history to save face which many latched onto and spread around today - but what they said in the lead up and during secession, not to mention the resolutions of secession themselves, are obviously authoritative as to why they did what they did and not their efforts to whitewash history later to salvage their reputations.

Pointing this reality out is where you get lashed out at - usually just getting cussed out or the equivalent without even arguing the material you cited was false...because they don't care. It's sort of like a secular religion and they don't want their false worldview shattered by reality.

Oh boo hoo

You’re selective in your virtue signaling over effling slavery...
Like poor blacks ....the only folks ever enslaved

You only care that southerners had slaves....who sold em

Who traded em

Who shipped em

Who freed them last

What Lincoln said about the precious negro

Hold that under the sam microscope

And you ancestry....perfect I assume...

You ever examine tribal Africa and slavery in North America comparison

We did them a favor ...then and now

I don’t see em fleeing back do u?

Btw....your precious Republicans suck

They betrayed Trumps landslide.....I’ll bet that doesn’t bother u much

Right

Nationa review neocon like most south bashers here

There was a small class of plantation owners, about 40,000 I think, who owned a lot of slaves and were deeply committed to the institution. The quotes which are always brought up come from people like that such as Alexander Stephens. The great majority of Southern whites were not slaveholders but most of them willingly supported their states when they seceded. Robert E. Lee had freed his own slaves and was opposed to secession, but felt it was his duty to support his own state.

More attention should be paid to the ordinary whites of the South and what made them act as they did in 1861. Probably most of them would have spoken in terms of defending their homes from the Yankees. But why had they come to see the Yankees as so different from themselves that they did not want to be in the same country with them?

Of course few people when the war started expected it to result in the abolition of slavery. If it had not been for secession and the Civil War, the institution of slavery would have lasted much longer--it's hard to see how it would have been abolished.