Posted on 07/03/2021 3:51:33 PM PDT by hsmomx3
Progressives screw up everything.
I’ve not heard any chatter in Phoenix, either.... yet, but I’ve been expecting them to try to grab our power.
Phoenix is served by 2 providers, only APS (and Tucson) was mentioned, omitting SRP who operate the nuke plant west of Phoenix and don’t need to import across state lines or use California’s grid. Actually, iirc, SRP’s nuke power is often sold to California. Contracts could divert SRP’s nuke power too.
Geopolitically, I’d love to see SRP stand up for AZ and tell California to get their act together and find power elsewhere, unless. Or they might remain uninvolved and watch peeps bail on APS and convert to SRP power although I don’t think it’s a simple matter to switch, or even possible.
It will become clear soon and there will be trouble.
If cali sucks us off line there will be hell to pay. We will not tolerate suffering for Cali’s stupidity.
“ …which will allow California to stop energy from flowing to Arizona, which could mean power shortages for Arizonans,” Marquez Peterson said. “
Into Arizona ? But AZ is an energy exporting state. It produces more than it needs, thanks in part to the Palo Verde nuclear station. So Cal Edison has a small stake in it so they get power from it too. What is this energy flow into Arizona business ?
Praise God Texas has its own grid!
The bottom line is HOW blue is CA.?
SRP does not operate the Nuke Plant West of Phoenix. SRP owns the site Switchyard nothing more.
From the eia.gov site :
Electricity
Natural gas is the primary fuel used for electricity generation in Arizona. Natural gas fueled almost half of Arizona’s electricity net generation in 2020, up from one-third just two years earlier, because more than 700 megawatts of new natural gas-fired capacity came online between 2018 and 2020.25,26 Arizona’s Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station is the state’s largest power plant and the nation’s largest nuclear power plant.27 Palo Verde generates more electricity annually than any other U.S. power plant and is second only to the Grand Coulee Dam in total electricity generating capacity among all U.S. power plants.28 In 2020, Palo Verde’s three operating reactors generated almost three-tenths of the state’s net electricity.29 Coal fueled about as much or more of the state’s electricity generation as nuclear power until 2018. However, the Navajo Generating Station, the largest coal-fired facility in the state and Arizona’s second-largest power plant, closed in late 2019.30,31,32 Until its closure, the Navajo Generating Station had typically provided two-fifths of the state’s coal-fired power generation, and 12% to 16% of all utility-scale (1 megawatt or larger) generation in the state, annually.33 In 2020, coal fueled one-eighth of the state’s utility-scale net generation.34 Renewable resources, mostly solar and hydroelectric power, supplied almost all the rest of Arizona’s in-state utility-scale electricity generation.35 Some of Arizona’s in-state generation from all sources was developed to power the crucial pumping systems that bring water for drinking and irrigation from the Colorado River in the north to the drier central and southern parts of Arizona, where most of the state’s population lives.36,37
Arizona power plants typically generate more electricity than the state consumes, and, in 2019, more than one-fourth of the electricity generated in-state was sent to consumers outside of Arizona.38 Interstate transmission lines have become congested in peak demand periods, and Arizona continues to work with other states and stakeholders to improve transmission capacity. Projects in development include one that will transmit electricity from carbon-free sources (renewable and nuclear) in Arizona and New Mexico to consumers across the southwest.39 Another project will bring wind power from Wyoming to population centers in the desert southwest, including in Arizona, and transmit solar power from the southwest to the Rocky Mountain states.40 A third transmission project in development will connect areas of southeastern California to southwestern Arizona, facilitating renewable energy development along the route.41
Total per capita electricity retail sales in Arizona are lower than in about two-thirds of the states. However, per capita electricity retail sales to the state’s residential sector, where about 3 in 5 households rely on electricity for home heating and more than 9 in 10 homes use air conditioning, are greater than in more than half the states.42,43,44 Almost half of Arizona’s electricity retail sales go to the residential sector. The commercial sector uses slightly more than one-third, and the industrial sector accounts for less than one-fifth.45
https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=AZ
Arizona: "CA has millions of illegals so the FERC is diverting power from citizens to non-citizens."
FERC: "Yeah! Heh-heh."
Tell that to those poor folks over there in Needles who are getting raped by the city for electricity from the same source. That is why no one wants to open a business there. Or keep one open. They don’t even have a grocery store anymore. Needles bought the electric company and killed the whole town with the rates. Now they got nothing, dumbest liberal crap I ever saw in my life.
Actually, Needles is Booming in the pot business, there are 60 plus Industrial Building growing weed, and more buildings are being built right now, granted they have Nothing else, not even a grocery store. I believe the city of Needles made some deals on the power for the massive weed growing, and they are getting it real cheap.
Yes, and here is where we are grateful to push back against all the morons who suggested we join one of the other grids when we had our challenge last February.
I will take that once a century snowmageddon over annual summer blackouts any time!
Yes, But until the pot came in it was a ghost town for many years. And I know how many buildings there are... That number could be slightly inflated. Just went by them last Tuesday. Nice that they finally got River Road paved recently. That was tearing my truck apart. And it took them many years despite all that money they are making from pot.
They must have been spending all their city money on purchasing pot instead of fixing that 1/4 mile of road. Pretty bad when the County actually had to put up a disclaimer sign so that no one would think it was a county maintained road. :)
“Tying power systems together is stupid.”
Till you lose the power plant supplying your house.
“If California generated it, it is theirs. AZ should have their own power plants.”
Only California owns stations in Arizona.
I am referring to tying multiple state power grids together.
Second, every major power catastrophe has been brought on or amplified by multiple state grids tied together.
As for your example: If my house loses power, I can go to the next town and get a motel room, eat in a public place, buy gas....
When multiple states are tied together you have no place to go when they all blow or go brownout.
Did your parents not remind you that it is not wise to put all of your eggs in one basket? That is why wealth managers will invest one million in at least 100 places.
As for this specific situation, California will not be able to maintain their power grid as it should be. They are losing tax base and crumbling. They will be a liability to the systems that they are tied to.
North of Austin, TX had several thousand without power yesterday.
Threats of power outages ought to be a big red flag to those in charge. Here they will absolutely be lethal and those in charge will be held directly and criminally responsible.
“Second, every major power catastrophe has been brought on or amplified by multiple state grids tied together.”
uh, Texas ha its own grid.
“Second, every major power catastrophe has been brought on or amplified by multiple state grids tied together.”
Wrong.
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