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“Just Blind Chance”: The Rising Call For “Random Selection” For College Admissions
Nation & State ^ | 6-21-2021 | Jonathan Turley

Posted on 06/21/2021 6:03:32 AM PDT by blam

Random selection is not generally an approach that most people opt for in the selection of doctors or even restaurants or a movie. However, it appears to be the new model for some in higher education. Former Barnard College mathematics professor Cathy O’Neil has written a column calling for “random selection” of all college graduates to guarantee racial diversity. It is ever so simple:

“Never mind optional standardized tests. If you show interest, your name goes in a big hat.”

She is not the only one arguing for blind or random admissions.

Recently, University of California President Janet Napolitano announced that the entire system will no longer base admissions on standardized tests — joining a “test-blind” admissions movement nationally. Others have denounced standardized testing as vehicles for white supremacy. Education officials like Alison Collins, vice president of the San Francisco Board of Education, have declared meritocracy itself to be racist. There is a growing criticism that the problem with higher education is that it relies on merit rather than status as the driving criteria for admissions.

O’Neil and others are arguing not just for blind but actually random selection to achieve true diversity. O’Neil argues that it would also “take the pressure off students to conform to the prevailing definition of the ideal candidate” and allow them “to be kids again, smoking pot and getting laid in between reading Dostoyevsky and writing bad poetry.”

Others have called for purely random selection. In 2019, the liberal New America foundation argued that highly selective colleges and universities should admit students by lottery. Amy Laitinen, Claire McCann, and Rachel Fishman argued that not only should admissions be random but schools “would lose all eligibility not only to Title IV aid but also to federal research dollars.” They argued that this “This would do away with admissions preferences that overwhelmingly favor white and wealthy applicants, including for athletes and legacies.”

In her column, O’Neil admits that there is a “downside” like the fact that “applications to the most selective colleges would soar, causing acceptance rates to plunge and leaving the ‘strongest’ candidates with little chance of getting into their chosen schools.” However, she treats the downside of eliminating the value of actually doing well in high school and tests as just a question of privilege:

“The kids who struggled to get perfect grades, who spent their high school years getting really good at obscure yet in-demand sports, the legacies and the offspring of big donors, would lose their advantages.”

In an earlier column, I noted that the move by California to get rid of standardized tests occurred after California voters rejected an expensive campaign to reintroduce affirmative action in college admissions. The Supreme Court is also considering whether to take the case of Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College. The Court this week asked the Biden Administration to take a position in the case involving allegations that Harvard has discriminated against Asian applicants. Litigants cite a study finding that Asian Americans needed SAT scores that were about 140 points higher than white students; the gap with admitted African American and Hispanic students is even greater.

The case could allow for clarity on the issue after years of conflicting 5-4 decisions that have ruled both for and against such race criteria admissions. There is a concern among universities that the Court could be moving toward a clear decision against the use of race as a criterion. Even the author of the 2003 majority opinion in Grutter v. Bollinger, Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, said she expected “that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.” That was roughly 25 years ago.

I previously noted:

“In the Harvard case, the scores are particularly important because the litigants allege that subjective factors were systemically used to disfavor them on issues such as likability and personality. While the lower courts ruled for Harvard, the trial judge did note that there may have been bias in favor of minority admissions and encouraged Harvard to deal with such “implicit bias” while monitoring ‘any significant race-related statistical disparities in the rating process.’ But what if there are no ‘statistical disparities’ because there are no objective statistics?”

O’Neil argues for blind and random selection precisely because it would prevent such court review.

“Colleges wouldn’t have to worry about fighting claims of racial discrimination in the Supreme Court because by construction the admissions process would be nondiscriminatory. No more “soft” criteria. No more biased tests. Just blind chance.”

Blind selection is the final default position for many schools. Universities have spent decades working around court decisions limiting the reliance on race as an admissions criterion. Many still refuse to disclose the full data on scores and grades for admitted students. If faced with a new decision further limiting (or entirely eliminating) race as a criterion, blind selection would effectively eliminate any basis for judicial review.

It would also destroy any value for the students to work to achieve greater achievement in math, science, and other subjects. O’Neil is right. They would be free to spend their time “smoking pot and getting laid in between reading Dostoyevsky and writing bad poetry.” The new model for admissions would range from Hunter Thompson to Hunter Biden.

The push for blind or random admissions is the ultimate sign of the decadence of society. What O’Neil is describing is a system designed for the intellectual dilettante. Of course, countries like China are moving to dominate the world economy with kids who are not focusing on good sex and bad poetry. Higher education has long been based on intellectual achievement and discovery. Admission to higher ranked schools has been a key motivating factor for millions of students, including the children of many first generation Americans. Their achievement has translated into national advancement in science and the economy. It has served to bring greater opportunities and growth for all Americans.

Now, recognition of such achievement is rejected by writers like O’Neil as “perpetuating the privileges of wealth” and preventing true racial diversity in our schools. So we will eliminate merit-based admissions entirely and reduce higher education to a lottery system based on pure luck.

And, when the world discovers that bad poetry holds the key to the new global economy, we will once again rise as a world power.


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KEYWORDS: admissions; college; drawstraws; dumbingdown; stupid; test
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To: blam

Half the population has an IQ that is below average.


41 posted on 06/21/2021 6:58:26 AM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: CatOwner
"Unfortunately, this just leads to apathy with K-12 students. Why bother, when you have no idea you’ll ever get into the college you would have previously qualified for?"

Intiguing, following on from that, if Turley's idea were to happen, then admission to preferred schools would simply be postponed a semester, when a mad transfer scramble would ensue and re-align the load.

Then you would have Ivy's carrying their initial 'random' class, and a semester later, adding the class that they wanted, while bottom schools would mostly empty out. Now that would be interesting...

42 posted on 06/21/2021 6:58:44 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress.)
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To: blam

“Winning at life’s lottery” now more than ever, apparently.


43 posted on 06/21/2021 6:59:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

In woke theology, education and ability are the result of training, not nature.

So random admissions will work just as well.


44 posted on 06/21/2021 7:01:37 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: blam

Sounds like a great plan, and it should be exactly the same with sports scholarships.

Sign up random applicants to the teams in college sports. What difference could it make?


45 posted on 06/21/2021 7:01:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: blam

because blacks are a failure ? Critical race theory (CRT) is nothing but teaching about the black race’s failure


46 posted on 06/21/2021 7:01:42 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: rbg81

“ In the end, they’ll throw up their hands and start giving out As as not to appear racist.”

This is SOP today in inner city schools. My sister teaches in inner city Baltimore. Lots of kids did absolutely nothing during the pandemic (didn’t take tests, didn’t turn in work, didn’t attend Zoom class) yet the administration allowed them recently to do a day’s work to catch up and get their “A.”


47 posted on 06/21/2021 7:02:57 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Pour les vaincre il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace")
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To: blam

How to crush motivation and achievement.

Let’s go back to the stone age!

YAY!?!?!!?


48 posted on 06/21/2021 7:07:05 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I'm changing my name to 'Spike Protein'!)
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To: babble-on

exactly, the ONLY thing those schools have going for them is that they get to select the best of the best and then pretend that they “Harvard” has something to do with their eventually success!


49 posted on 06/21/2021 7:10:29 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: grundle
The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action [Left wing Atlantic explains how affirmative action hurts black students]
50 posted on 06/21/2021 7:12:19 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

No excellence. Massive Debt. Exactly how do colleges prepare anyone to contribute to society? All of this is being done for Negroes and wetbacks. Insane.


51 posted on 06/21/2021 7:18:07 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” ― Thomas Jefferson)
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To: blam

Hey, maybe they can do this for pilots and doctors too?


52 posted on 06/21/2021 7:18:57 AM PDT by rey
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To: SeekAndFind
The University Dilemma: America’s leftist universities are indoctrinating, not teaching, and they intend to keep it that why by deliberately excluding qualified conservatives
53 posted on 06/21/2021 7:19:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: rey
Hey, maybe they can do this for pilots and doctors too?

They tried this decades ago in the field of journalism, look what crap that got us.

54 posted on 06/21/2021 7:19:42 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: blam

Harvard has an opportunity here ...

All current Harvard professors should be suspended.

Anyone with a PhD in the country will be allowed to apply for their jobs.

All Harvard teaching jobs - full professors down to teaching interns - will be given out based on a random drawing of people holding PhD’s... Jobs will be secure for 4 years - then the process is repeated...

Let’s see the effect this choice would have on Harvard’s status, ability to educate, and their quality of alumni..


55 posted on 06/21/2021 7:37:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (Rape isn't penis violence. Arson isn't fire violence. Murder isn't gun violence. CriminalsRviolence )
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To: blam

Do they support the same for doctors, or engineers?


56 posted on 06/21/2021 7:40:40 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: rbg81

Harvard has an opportunity here ...

All current Harvard professors should agree to be suspended.

Anyone with a PhD in the country should be allowed to apply for their jobs.

All Harvard teaching jobs - full professors down to teaching interns - will be given out based on a random drawing of people holding PhD’s... Jobs will be secure for 4 years - then the process is repeated...

A study will be done in 12 years showing the effect this choice would have on Harvard’s status, ability to educate, and their quality of alumni..


57 posted on 06/21/2021 7:43:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Rape isn't penis violence. Arson isn't fire violence. Murder isn't gun violence. CriminalsRviolence )
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To: blam

Random selection has its advantages, provided everyone is treated equally once admitted and the university does not reduce their academic standards to lower qualified entrants (let them flunk out). as well as disadvantages. I like the idea that all have a chance in gaining entry. I think Asians will have a better chance of increasing their numbers at the Ivy Leagues because their pool of candidates will be large as they gravitate to the better schools and thus have a better chance of being selected. Whites also, knowing that they will not be discriminated against vs people of color.Once underqualified blacks and hispanics who are randomly selected start flunking out in high numbers, they will start applying to schools that are more matched to their qualifications and have a better chance of succeeding. The rich will not be able to buy their way in


58 posted on 06/21/2021 7:48:03 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: chuckee
"Once underqualified blacks and hispanics who are randomly selected start flunking out in high numbers, they will start applying to schools that are more matched to their qualifications and have a better chance of succeeding."

Are you kidding? They'll change the rules again. They're not concerned about actually educating... their only concern is OUTCOME.
They'll need the correct percentages of minorities graduating too...qualified or not.

59 posted on 06/21/2021 7:56:25 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
“Never mind optional standardized tests. If you show interest, your name goes in a big hat.”

Moving along this axis of idiocy, never mind NFL tryouts, MCATs, LSATs, driver license tests, board certifications of medical specialties, USGA qualifiers, PGA Q-school, local, state and national elections, and the list goes on. "We'll just pull the winners from a big hat holding the names anyone showing interest."

60 posted on 06/21/2021 8:05:27 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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