Posted on 05/19/2021 10:50:16 AM PDT by absalom01
Just three weeks after adding Ivermectin, Delhi now leads India out of the deadly second surge of the COVID pandemic. Cases that had peaked at 28,395 on April 20 plummeted nearly 80% to just 6,430 on May 15. Deaths peaked May 4, and now they are also down 25%.
On May 10, the Indian State of Goa adopted an even more ambitious policy of preemptive Ivermectin for all adults in the state. The Chief Minister of Goa is Dr. Pramod Sawant, a progressive 49-year-old physician persuaded by science. In particular, he read Dr. Pierre Kory's Dr. Tess Lawrie's and Dr. Andrew Hill's robust meta-analyses. As a direct result, Goa has seen a drop in cases from 3,124 the day after the announcement to 1,314 five days later.
Meanwhile, three other Indian states have followed Goa's lead in adding Ivermectin: Uttarkhand, Karnataka, and Uttar Pradesh. And, as expected, they have seen a drop in new daily cases as well, with Uttar Pradesh down nearly 75% from a peak of 37,944 just four days after they began following the April 20 AIIMS guidance to just 10,505 on May 16.
The tragic story in all this is that the Indian state of Tamil Nadu installed a new leader on May 7, 2021. He suddenly reversed their state's decision to adopt Ivermectin. Readers of my book all know about Peruvian President Sagasti's fateful decision to outlaw Ivermectin. Before taking power, the COVID deaths had dropped 14 fold to almost nothing with Ivermectin use. However after Sagasti was elected, Ivermectin was stopped, and deaths roared back at 13 fold.
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Bulwyf wrote: “Just because you took a poisonous shot that will end your life soon, doesn’t mean you need to be so bitter about it and keep posting. You decided to do it. Nobody made you. Coward.”
If you believe that anti-vaxxer propaganda, you are a fool.
absalom01 wrote: “There is a narrative that tries to posit a false competition between existing therapeutics and vaccinations, which I reject, though the discussion surrounding the ‘EUA’ may cloud that issue somewhat. But as a practical matter, it would be best if we had both available.”
We should have both but many of the anti-vaxxers are calling for an end of vaccinations. One should get the vaccines and if then one gets the virus, then use the therapeutics. But one cannot rely upon Vitamin D to function as a vaccine and prevent the virus as many anti-vaxxers would have you believe.
Doesn’t matter if I believe it or not, many top scientists and people in the know are blowing the horn about this.
If you believe anything the government has told you about this you’re a fool, it’s really that simple.
They are creating a two tier society.
While it’s true that you have to push, it’s not exactly unavailable here in the US, as I can testify from personal experience.
I’m not an expert, all I can do is look at what the experts are saying, almost like a juror in a complex civil case. It seems to me that the weight of evidence, and the credibility of the experts advancing ivermectin, along with other re-purposed therapeutics make a convincing case for safety and efficacy.
That is very interesting. It makes chilling sense out of an otherwise inexplicable posture by the gov. Thanks.
Fair enough, but my opinion is that the extreme claims or excesses of one camp or the other should not undercut the efforts of people of good faith to try to get to the truth.
And while I respect the right of individuals to make their own decisions on vaccines and every other health matter (and let’s be clear, abortion is not a health matter), there is exactly zero chance that the vaccine rollouts will be stopped. Hesitancy will decline as people see that their vaccinated friends and family are doing just fine, eventually leaving a residual number of hard-core opponents. And there is a serious position to take against vaccines that have been derived from fetal stem cells, though the current crop of mRNA vax do not suffer from this ethical problem.
I guess my point is that even if some would point to therapeutic agents as a justification for ending mass vaccination, that’s simply not going to happen. There’s no reason to stigmatize the therapeutics at this point.
ulwyf wrote: “Doesn’t matter if I believe it or not, many top scientists and people in the know are blowing the horn about this.”
I suspect there are very few who believe Ivermectin is a cure for COVID. The reports I’ve seen from India can be summarized as it helps a little, it’s cheap, it is unlikely to cause harm, and we have no other alternatives.
Farm supply stores sell Ivermectin. Buy the apple flavor for horses. It’s more tolerable flavor wise. According to a neighbor 😏
“I guess my point is that even if some would point to therapeutic agents as a justification for ending mass vaccination, that’s simply not going to happen.”
While I agree with you that unfortunately mass vaccination is unlikely to end, it isn’t just a matter of the efficacy of therapeutic agents. The thing that makes this a tragedy is that these “vaccines” are harmful and in thousands of cases deadly even initially. And the long term effect is unknown at this point.
4,674 “deaths after vax” and over 300,000 “adverse events” reported are absolutely unprecedented in VAERS 31 year history. Most of these deaths and injuries are being deliberately unreported in the media. These “vaccines” are not safe.
absalom01 wrote: “I guess my point is that even if some would point to therapeutic agents as a justification for ending mass vaccination, that’s simply not going to happen. There’s no reason to stigmatize the therapeutics at this point.”
The anti-vaxxers are losing this argument as the number of vaccinations rise and the cases and deaths decline. I saw this same reaction during the anthrax scare shortly after 9-11. The same arguments from the anti-vaxxers then as now. They will believe any thing that discredits the vaccines even from the most dubious sources.
The anti-vaxxers are not people of good faith looking for the truth. They know the truth and it is: “All vaccines bad”.
Have an illuminated holy family statue of Joseph and Mary holding baby Jesus and a sign reading FOR AMERICA PRAY THE ROSARY facing the state highway which is our access and fronts our property lighted by red, white, and blue led lights.Plus a
lighted flag close by.
Been praying that stuff would work in ares where its used
you’ve continuously proven you’re not a person of good faith with your refusal to listen to other people’s view on this subject...
MK Stalin.
Let that sink in.
I can admit to anything, but it does not make it the truth. It appears you need to so desperately believe that mRNA is gene therapy to disseminate fear and hope that people will follow your highest level of heresy — learned lies. The mRNA codes for a specific protein (as all mRNA does) and then antibodies develop to this foreign protein. It is that simple and elegant. It does not manipulate the human genome. By analogy, if you are afraid of genetic modification, I assume you will never go out into the sunshine as radiation causes genetic disruption. Ergo you must then stipulate that sunshine and various forms of naturally occurring radiation are gene therapy. Incidentally, these vaccines have been under development since the onset of SARS in about 2011 or so.
Nucleoside analogs — generally are thought to be used in treatements. According to molecules 2021, 26, 986 and following, a thorough description of nucleoside analogs demonstrate how these analogs are incorporated into the genetic replication of (+) SS RNA virus in order to effect chain termination and subsequent replication and transcription of the viral geneome. They are both purine and pyrimidine analogues that are used to terminate chain and block replication. There are widely investigated for therapeutics. By the way, remdesivir is one such drug
In terms of vaccination nucleoside analogues, According to Immunity 2020, Oct 12 ; 53(4) 724 - 732 e7 There was nucleoside modification for introduction to the cell, and three modifications were studied to create the antigenicity of the protein, NOT as you are implying to cause cell damage or other run away reactions. As a matter of fact, the three analogs were created to express specifically three antigenic targets: full length S protein (WT). full length S protein with deleted furin cleavage site (delta furin) and a short consult encoding the S protein receptor binding domain. These demonstrated robust CD4 and CD8 response as well and long lived B cell (memory) and plasma cell immunity. The proteins encoded for from these analogs (to the mRNA viral in nature) were investigated as a critical target of neutralizing antibodies.
So, it appears that you are engaged in either obfuscation or promoting untruths in your process. You appear to engage in the rhetorical skill of attempting to generalize specific knowledge to fit a fact pattern that supports your opinion, but is not supported by the facts.
You clearly lack candor, and good will.
Have a pleasant evening.
I have treated the flu and I have treated coVID at bedside. I am also a trained observer in terms of human pathology and the healing of human beings. I assure you that CoVID is far more deadly than influenza.
The accusation that I am somehow in on a global elite conspiracy is laughable on its face. But I guess when one believes in conspiracy anything that disproves is must be a part of the conspiracy. Circular logic at its finest.
why aren’t you concerned about our government opening the border and exposing us to infectious diseases during a global pandemic?...
You ask me that question over and over. I am concerned about it. but that does not nullify the discussion at hand on this thread.
you never answer this part of my question;
what are your concerns?...
My concerns are the spread of a disease that several on this forum think there is a conspiracy against simple treatment of which there is now conspiracy. Your concern is that it is being used as a distraction while other areas are freely manipulated and infiltrated.
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