COVID-19 Vaccinations in the United States (16 May, as of 06:00 AM ET)

CDC ^ | 16 May 2021 | CDC

[BeauBo]

(President Trump's Operation Warp Speed Update)

(A bigger uptick in first shots today - second day in a row - May be a noteworthy change)

Total Vaccine Doses Delivered: 344,503,395 (20,195,100 J&J)

Administered: 273,545,207 (9,654,031 J&J)

People Vaccinated, At Least One Dose: 157,485,596

Fully Vaccinated: 123,282,685

[palmer]

I didn't pick a 99 year old and ettrapolate. I used the example and asked only about that very small subset, but it's going to be hard to get actuarial data for that subset.

I have extrapolated out for annual incidents of stroke or thrombocytopenia and run some numbers.

Have you put those inside of threads? They were not in the two vanities I read. I'm not a vax pusher or a groundhog. I bave never called any doctor a quack, instead I have noted them like the doc that Tucker interviewed.

I calculated how many day-of-vaccination heart attacks should be in VAERS according to your estimates of 25% coverage in VAERS. That number is 448. Day-of-vaccination strokes should be slightly less. That's assuming there's no extra heart attacks or strokes from stress.

[ransomnote]

"and asked only about that very small subset"
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aren't you a cute little time waster....

I'll see your 'very small subset" and raise you one:

• Vaccine Type

  VAERS ID

  	Adverse Event Description

  COVID19 VACCINE (COVID19)

  Patient received second dose of Pfizer vaccine on March 17, 2020 while at work.

  March 18, 2020 her 5 month old breastfed infant developed a rash and within 24 hours was inconsolable, refusing to eat, and developed a fever.

  Patient brought baby to local ER where assessments were performed, blood analysis revealed elevated liver enzymes.

  Infant was hospitalized but continued to decline and passed away. Diagnosis of TTP. No known allergies. No new exposures aside from the mother's vaccination the previous day.

But my 'little subse't is different from yours. Even you can spot the difference, amIright?

It's normal for mothers to nurse their children. [my example] so the word should have been blasted from the rooftops when this even occurred to protect infant life, but NOPE. Not a word of concern came forth from the Medical Oligarchy lashing the public to get needless, dangerous vaccines, or the trolls on FR who push the vax.

How about your 'little subset'? Is it normal for people to force a 99 year old to be vaccinated even if they stopped eating a week ago? Is there any medical person who'd recommend that course of action? Or is it a crime against a defenseless 99 year old. Go 'calculate' yourself.

[ReaganGeneration2]

(Remember, I’m not here to attack you, but to learn how to defend ourselves against the very real threat of forced vaccinations, which I’m sure you’re not in favor of.)

I had found those sources too. However, neither of these posts give sources that address safety.

If that’s how animal testing for vaccines is supposed to work, ok. But seems odd to me.

‘Member the hubbub about makeup testing done on animals. That wasn’t done to see if their blush was effective in bringing out their color, but for safety.

Do you think a billion-dollar vaccine for over a billion human souls should have the same testing purpose, maybe even address medium-term safety?

[palmer]

Do you have infant mortality numbers from VAERS to compare to infant mortality in 2/365 days of the year? postneonatal mortality rate is 2 per 1000. There are approximately 4 million postneonatal infants. That means 44 deaths a day. However, there should be very few lactating women getting vaccinated. As far as I know they were not in any trials, so they are part of the current experiment.

Despite that, we are going to have to estimate the number of exposed infants to compare to VAERS scaling the 44 down to 11 for underreporting in VAERS.

[palmer]

Sorry, 44 deaths every 2 days.

[ransomnote]

You have to play games the way you do because the truth is not on your side. You can’t ‘afford’ to act like 99 year old victims and infants matter.
Doesn’t mean I have to play along.

[palmer]

The argument that I don't care about people is false and ad hom. The numbers I have posted are not a game, they are simply facts. If you don't post the numbers then I will. There are 800,000 heart attacks out of 330 million people or 1793 per day for the 270 million shots. That has to be divided by 4 for VAERS underreporting. So there should be a total of 448 heart attacks in VAERS.

There are 484. But my VAERS download is a little old and I only counted "heart attack" and not any of the medical terms. There are 1159 "stroke", and that should also be 448 if VAERS is only report 25% of the strokes.

[heavy metal]

biden, fauxi, and the cdc recommending lockdowns, cancellations of events, masks, and vaccines for our citizens to stop the spread of a “deadly virus” while biden is opening the border, inviting, welcoming, and freely spreading thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic” reeks of hypocrisy and proves we’re being lied to about the severity of this so called “deadly virus”...

[ransomnote]

I just caught you making a ‘pretend-innocent’ game out of a 99 year old victim of the Vax pushers, your “small subset”, and you pivoted smoothly to sport with the infant victim, so now you are spinning it into your ‘deep’ interest in heart attacks.

Disgusting. All you do is spin - I have better things to do.

[palmer]

so now you are spinning it into your ‘deep’ interest in heart attacks.

My interest in heart attacks is two-fold. You put heart attacks in your list along with strokes as "caused" by vaccines. The list is obviously longer and I'll have to go through it more carefully. But we need to compare numbers in VAERS to numbers in general.

you pivoted smoothly to sport with the infant

You pivoted to the infant, not me. Don't play the liberals game of using women and children hit hardest. Arguments were made that infants were going to die if we didn't pass Obamacare. The rational answer was that we already had programs to help women, children and infants who needed health care including charities. Instead we were treated to irrational, emotional arguments like yours.

[ransomnote]

I pointed out you are not sincerely investigating data. You chose a ‘subset’ that’s bizarre and want to estimate the ‘normal’ bizarre occurence in the population. Cherry picking, distortion - that’s all you have.

I pointed it out citing the infant and you just incorporated it on the fly into the spin.

You are a pro at wasting time. I’m supposed to get invested in talking numbers with you while you are insincere & spinning every step of the way. For numbers discussion to be valid at all, both have to be sincere.

You’re a gamester.

[bagster]

You’re a gamester.

An original gamester (O.G.).

[palmer]

You chose a ‘subset’ that’s bizarre and want to estimate the ‘normal’ bizarre occurence in the population. Cherry picking, distortion - that’s all you have.

I didn't cherry pick anything, you did. I chose heart attacks and strokes because they are documented and counted in the general population.. I provided the heart attack and stroke numbers from the general population, 1793 to match the 270 million shots given. If only 25% of those events were reported to VAERS (your estimate), then there should be 448 of each in VAERS.

In VAERS with case-insensitive search there are 484 heart attacks 643 heart failures and 621 coronary. Next step is to search more terms to exclude history. There are just 46 "history of heart" (attack or failure) but there are other synonyms that need to be included. Stroke are 1559 with 52 "history of stroke".

[IamConservative]

Some good news for a change. Notre Dame has 90% of staff and students vaccinated with Pfizer. They are now seeing 0% positivity in COVID tests.

[ransomnote]

You’re talking to yourself now.

[BeauBo]

Initially, a high percentage of vaccines went to health care workers, but as the millions mounted, the vaccinated population quickly became increasingly (overwhelmingly) older and sicker than the population average. In April, after about 100 million had received first shots, that trend began to include a growing number of younger folks.

But the current sample population (represented in VAERS) includes 85% of the 55 million Americans 65 or older (who account for the lion’s share of all cause mortality), and most of the seriously, chronically ill and obese from other age groups. The 74 million under 18 have been largely excluded until quite recently. So the population that has been vaccinated is dramatically skewed (by design) toward those most likely to die or suffer adverse health events.

[BeauBo]

A lot more people read posts, than write anything.

People see when you are being reasonable, and when you are being unfairly attacked or treated abusively.

You have rightly identified the emotional/rhetorical basis of some of these anti-vaccine jihadists, who beat on one in million, or one in a hundred thousand events (which are likely just pure coincidence) and simultaneously discount the scale (or even the reality) of COVID.

More Americans have died from COVID than from combat in WWII, and society and the economy have been dramatically impacted. These safe and effective vaccines are bringing a swift end to this disaster in the USA, as they have in Israel and saving many more lives than any rare reactions might cause. That is the plain truth of it.

[bagster]

You said this;

People see when you are being reasonable, and when you are being unfairly attacked or treated abusively.

Then you said this;

You have rightly identified the emotional/rhetorical basis of some of these anti-vaccine jihadists,

Now doesn't that sound like an unfair attack and abusive treatment? And not in the least reasonable.

Spare my your morally superior, self-righteous caterwauling, you hypocrite.

[bagster]

More Americans have died from COVID than from combat in WWII.

More Americans have died from the poisonous vax than on 9-11.

[dynoman]

I’m not doing that. I’m posting data from https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php and offering no opinion on it.