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How John Deere is helping Black farmers and their descendants take back unjustly seized land
CNN ^ | 6:32 AM ET, Fri May 14, 2021 | Chauncey Alcorn

Posted on 05/15/2021 6:04:45 AM PDT by snarkytart

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To: PghBaldy; snarkytart
CNN is being DISHONEST!

"Joe Ely didn't have a will when he died in 1959, so control of his land was automatically divided between his 15 children."

This law is being applied equally to all residents regardless of color.

The problem is a dispute within the black family that has already mostly sold the land long ago.

A case of black family members cheating other black family members while the "System" performs in an unbiased manner.

21 posted on 05/15/2021 6:30:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: SgtHooper

My husband rants about how urban redevelopment basically stole his childhood house in 1960, Pittsburgh.


22 posted on 05/15/2021 6:30:16 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: snarkytart

Maybe John Deere and the Feds should get the lands in Alabama and Mississippi returned to the Choctaws, Chickasaws and Creeks from whom it was taken in the 1830’s.


23 posted on 05/15/2021 6:32:24 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: snarkytart

I am not sure that anything that CNN publishes is worth printing and wonder about why anyone even posts CNN articles on this forum. It only provides confusion and does not really serve a purpose, at all. IF it is to inform of us about how dishonest CNN is, we already know that.


24 posted on 05/15/2021 6:34:26 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: snarkytart

While I generally have a low opinion of Southern, I’ve met a few Black lawyers from there who were decent. White law students from there are, however, someone whom I would never hire. They obviously weren’t able to get in anywhere else. (As I recall, the law school student body is between a quarter and a third white).


25 posted on 05/15/2021 6:38:16 AM PDT by PAR35
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“But the Deshler family still owns 1/15 of Joe Ely’s land.”

I’ve seen this same situation in real life. Parents die and leave a home to 3 kids. Two kids want to sell, one doesn’t.

• The two kids are stuck in a business arrangement with the third child who is impossible to deal with.

• The house is used as rental property, but often sites empty due to the obstinance of the third child.

• The two kids’ dreams of investing their inheritance is thwarted by the third kid.


26 posted on 05/15/2021 6:41:02 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: snarkytart

Summary:
Black grandfather had 15 heirs to some acreage. One of the heirs sold their share for a small amount and using a law designed to keep land from being split too many ways, tried to force the sale of it for a profit.

The lesson here is, take your cousins to a Notary and get them to sign over any claims to land.


27 posted on 05/15/2021 6:58:52 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Williams

Exactly. Drop the Drama. Ridiculous assertions about Racism when it’s all about inheritance laws.


28 posted on 05/15/2021 7:03:36 AM PDT by griswold3 (NBA/ Plumlee Ball. = poor entertainment value while insulting the audience gets you broke )
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To: oldplayer

My ancestor came in 1729 with a 10,000 acre land grant in the Shenandoah valley VA. Can I get that back?


29 posted on 05/15/2021 7:07:04 AM PDT by griswold3 (NBA/ Plumlee Ball. = poor entertainment value while insulting the audience gets you broke )
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To: PghBaldy

Except that the land wasn’t properly deeded to the heirs in individual plots after the original owner passed away.


30 posted on 05/15/2021 7:11:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (“Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,)
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To: PghBaldy

“to honor our grandfather’s legacy.” -— LOL. It is about $$$.”

Plus, they like livin’ there.


31 posted on 05/15/2021 7:11:18 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: snarkytart

$1,600 per acre. For those who don’t know, Barlow Bend is in the middle of nowhere in South Alabama, about 60 miles north of Mobile in Clarke County on the Alabama River.


34 posted on 05/15/2021 7:29:25 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: pepsionice

This is true. But what you appear to be comfortable with is the fact that THE STATE owns all property in America; individuals are mere tenants. This was and is a sick Communist dream.


35 posted on 05/15/2021 7:32:58 AM PDT by alstewartfan (The dawn is turning away The ghost of Charlotte Corday. Al Stewart)
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To: PAR35

Why would the white lawyers at Southern be inferior to the black lawyers, particularly in the age of Affirmative Action? This makes no sense to me.


36 posted on 05/15/2021 7:55:21 AM PDT by Crucial ( )
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To: pepsionice

Yep another CNN style story.


39 posted on 05/15/2021 8:23:06 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: snarkytart
Black land loss is a legitimate issue. Yes, many black farmers sold out over the years and took jobs in town for economic reasons, just as most white small farmers did. But clouded title is a real problem, and when it comes to something like farm property, it correlates with limited education. Small black farmers in places like Ringworm, Alabama, in 1953 probably didn't have much of an education, and they often had good reason to distrust the white lawyers in town. There were a lot of farms with multiple heirs, with Cousin Ralph working the farm on the basis of an informal family understanding. Do this for two or three generations and you will have a real mess on your hands. Sometimes Ralph managed to buy out all the cousins, but often the only way for anyone to cash out was to sell the farm.

This was a significant factor in the long running issues with USDA. The scurrilous charge was made by the grifters that USDA was systematically discriminating against black farmers; this was never true, at least on a large and systemic scale, and the payoffs executed by the Clinton and Obama administrations on this count were pure political thievery. What was true, however, is that a black small farmer would come to a local USDA office -- today FSA, NRCS, RMA, Rural Housing Service, etc., though they've gone by other names over the years -- typically seeking a USDA loan for various purposes. One can probably find rare cases of outright racial discrimination, but what was very common was that clouded title meant that black small farmers couldn't use their land as collateral for loans. Cousin Ralph might have been working the land since Uncle Phil died, and so on back to the original sharecropper who scraped up enough to buy 50 acres and the old house ... but 57 cousins, uncles and aunts have a share of the title, and Cousin Ralph is hogtied in trying to get a loan. He can't expand. He can't modernize. He can't get a loan for erosion control or tiling or irrigation.

It's not an easy problem to solve. There's no way to tell great-grandpa, a semi-literate ex-sharecropper who died in 1937, that he should get a will. So what can be done? It's been awhile since I've visited the issue. USDA was doing some serious spadework on it back during the Bush 43 administration, but the Obama people were more interested in paying off the political pressure groups. I don't know where it stands now.

40 posted on 05/15/2021 8:25:18 AM PDT by sphinx
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