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1 posted on 04/29/2021 10:31:06 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ll study it for half that!.......................


2 posted on 04/29/2021 10:31:56 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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Widening turnpike and parkway at odds with Murphy’s energy policy, critics say (3/31/21)

Work to widen parts of the Turnpike, Parkway take first step forward (3/23/21)

3 posted on 04/29/2021 10:33:22 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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PING!


4 posted on 04/29/2021 10:34:04 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (GOP-free since 10/9/20)
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Did I read that correctly? $48 million for 34 miles of an additional lane (or 2? One in each direction?) and will take 5 years?


5 posted on 04/29/2021 10:37:48 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Looks Like a Great idea, I see no problems, the people need it,...

Send my Check for $24 million Please, 1/2 OFF!!


6 posted on 04/29/2021 10:40:01 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don’t see the need since cars will be pretty much verboten in the next 5 years.


9 posted on 04/29/2021 10:43:55 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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So much for Biden’s $227.314 TRILLION so-called *infrastructure investments* ... the Greenie Marxists wouldn’t even let you cut the lawn in your own front yard, much less allow an expansion of a major highway


10 posted on 04/29/2021 10:49:53 AM PDT by Mr_Moonlight (Ich bin ein Irredeemable Deplorable)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Please don't widen it! Some of my fondest memories are being stuck in a traffic jam that moved 50 miles in five hours, in the heat of the summer without my car having a/c, with the windows rolled up because of the swarms of mosquito's coming from the surrounding swamplands.
11 posted on 04/29/2021 10:54:09 AM PDT by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane' )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Since everyone will be driving ELECTRIC CARS once these projects are finished, why are they objecting to them?

(and if you don’t know the answer, you need to learn a bit more about who this country’s enemies are and just what they REALLY want)


15 posted on 04/29/2021 11:25:59 AM PDT by BobL (TheDonald.win is now Patriots.win)
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Widening a highway is a lot more involved than people might realize, especially in a densely populated state that never built the highway correctly in the first place nor kept adequate rights of way alongside it.

-Bridges in the roadway have to be widened or replaced.
-Bridge spans over the roadway often have to be lengthened, and usually require new pilings.
-Light poles need to be moved.
-Overhead sign gantries need to be replaced with longer ones
-Storm sewers need to be replaced (can't have a storm grate that used to be in the shoulder now in the middle of a lane).
-Some ramps need to be redone if their curve would be too tight to get to the widened roadway. New Jersey already has problems with trucks overturning on ramps that turn too tightly.

Because it's a road like the New Jersey Turnpike running through developments built right up to the roadway edge, they can't build temporary lanes alongside the active lanes but instead have to do all the work on the active roadway. It's like renovating your house while living in it every day.

All that above is just for the roadway and connecting roadways. Add in nearby rail lines and crossing rail lines and it's a whole other level of pain.

17 posted on 04/29/2021 11:45:30 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Never thought I would say it, but, I miss the halcyon days when you could drive through much of that s_hole state in a thick red fog of stinking smoke with the headlights on and your eyes burning...

NYC flushed its toilet and dumped its trash directly onto about 20-miles of the open NJ marshlands for burning or burial... Even Jimmy Hoffa is still out there somewhere...

Who would have thought that things could have gotten far worse for NJ in the coming decades...


18 posted on 04/29/2021 11:46:44 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Multiply by 10 will probably end up being the real cost. Same for doing the work.


23 posted on 04/29/2021 12:25:53 PM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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Woke up, people!

NJ citizens need to move and live closer to their work, or work from home. This will reduce freeway traffic, eliminating this terrible, terrible red-violet (opposite of green) project.

But if this sad tragedy does happen, I wonder how many Emergency EV Charging Stations (EEVCS) they’ll put in...


24 posted on 04/29/2021 1:23:48 PM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

One answer: Kalifornia highway history. Judging that history in many places is like trying to say which came first (the chicken or the egg), the highway building and highway expansions (more lanes) or the expansion of the suburbs.

The problem is I know from experience and observation with California that often the expansion (or building) of a highway led to expansion of suburbs that led to expansion of congestion that the highway expansion was supposedly going to relieve.

In time, one highway that was going to relieve congestion relieved from another highway proved to be temporary temporary solution worse.

I time the congestion on both highways grew back to the level the 2nd highway was supposedly going to change. Why? The 2nd highway was built in areas the suburbs were not that expanded into, but it and land in proximity to it stimulated massive new suburb development, which in time merely expanded the geographic range of congestion more than eliminating it. In time both the earlier highway and the later highway had equally bad congestion and even as bad the congestion level that was supposed to be relieved.

Am I saying land use laws should “halt” development every time? No.

I am saying the idea that any highway project to add a highway or expand one is justified on the idea of “relieving congestion” is often not true.

Often it is the real estate interests in gaining “government infrastructure” investment to make their own business model (suburban housing development) more profitable. Their developments will reduce the effectiveness of any relief of congestion.


25 posted on 04/29/2021 1:25:01 PM PDT by Wuli
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