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The Nanggala 402 Disaster: Another Kursk?
American Thinker.com ^ | April 29, 2021 | William Greg Reed

Posted on 04/29/2021 5:42:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

As the author of Red November, Spies of the Deep, and other submarine/military books, and as a former U.S. Navy Diver and submariner, I have access to “inside information” about the lost Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala 402. The 1977-vintage German-built Cakra-class diesel submarine disappeared on Wednesday, April 21. It’s a smaller boat, only 195 feet long by 20 feet wide, with four diesel engines that recharge a bank of batteries to provide a few days of power while submerged. The sub then needs to come shallow to “snorkel” by running its engines to recharge batteries and ventilate the air.

The commander of the Indonesian National Armed Forces reported that the Nanggala had gone missing in waters about fifty nautical miles north of Bali. The Indonesian navy verified that the sub requested permission to dive prior to test firing two Surface and Underwater Target (SUT) torpedoes. An hour later, the training task force commanding officer authorized the shots, and the Nanggala flooded its torpedo tubes. The Chief of Staff of the Indonesian Navy said the Nanggala fired both an unloaded practice and a live torpedo before contact was lost.

What might have happened to the Indonesian submarine that led to its demise? How is this incident similar to the loss of the Russia Kursk submarine in August 2000? The Indonesian navy relayed that the Nanggala may have had battery power issues after submerging in waters more than 2,000 feet deep, which exceeds the sub’s crush depth by 400 feet. Torpedo test firings can also be hazardous, as the Kursk disaster demonstrated.

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To: ZOOKER

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21 posted on 04/29/2021 7:39:23 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
You're a bad man!

A very bad man!
22 posted on 04/29/2021 7:43:37 AM PDT by null and void (When you put bad people in charge expect bad things to happen, often in a spectacular and sudden way)
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To: ZOOKER
If the boat was already flooded and pressure equalized when she hit crush depth, the hull would be intact.

It imploded. The hull was found in pieces.

23 posted on 04/29/2021 7:48:14 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: reg45
Could a PLAN (Chinese Communist) submarine have sunk the Indonesian submarine?

For what purpose?

24 posted on 04/29/2021 7:49:08 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: FlipWilson
I had no idea that the Toledo may have caused the Kursk to sink.

It didn't. It was an excuse the Russians floated to place blame elsewhere.

25 posted on 04/29/2021 7:51:23 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Kaslin

Not real sure that the Indonesian military has a great need to be fooling around Bali in submarines.


26 posted on 04/29/2021 8:01:17 AM PDT by Captain7seas (Don't resist, after all you will get a free shower.)
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To: reg45

These were wire-guided torpedoes. I think that’s a different animal than the old WW2 torpedoes that were kind of fire-and-forget. Maybe somebody can amplify on that point.


27 posted on 04/29/2021 8:04:56 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: mylife
when you lose power and are on a 20 deg up bubble and sinking.. it sucks

The WWII boats I was on had what they called "positive buoyancy' in that if you lost all propulsive power and could blow your tanks, you would surface. I read that the nuclear boats had "negative buoyancy" that needed propulsion even with blown tanks in order to get back up.

28 posted on 04/29/2021 8:36:16 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: FlipWilson

“I had no idea that the Toledo may have caused the Kursk to sink.”


A former student was aboard USS Toledo when Kursk sank. He had absolutely nothing to say, hint, imply or even a raised eyebrow about what happened. USS Toledo was nearby—that’s their job—and I have no doubt the crew heard whatever happened to Kursk. It’s called the Silent Service for a reason.

Russians wanted to blame Toledo and even cooked up rumors that she had to visit Scotland for repairs. Later evidence showed Kursk somehow destroyed himself (Russian ships use masculine pronouns).

But to put things into perspective, Kursk’s hull was longer than the depth to which it sank, meaning if it had sunk straight down, its stern would have been above water. But it was still too deep to have a chance to rescue any of its crew.


29 posted on 04/29/2021 3:15:16 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: z3n

I was thinking the same thing.

Torpedo exploded in the tube or somehow circled back and hit them.


30 posted on 04/29/2021 4:30:16 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying Too All.)
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To: mylife

“Kapitan Kolesnikov” by DDT (The Kursk)

Music Video by Russian group DDT, subtitled into English thanks to Link TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaLk-LqR0pc

Song

Капитан Колесников (Прекрасная любовь)

Artist

ДДТ

Album

Прекрасная любовь


31 posted on 05/01/2021 2:20:45 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism. )
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To: fishtank

awesome find


32 posted on 05/01/2021 2:23:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: fishtank

A different video montage - worth watching

ДДТ-Капитан Колесников

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=robLjYLW91A


33 posted on 05/01/2021 2:25:43 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism. )
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To: fishtank

See Larry King ask Putin about the Kursk at 3:30 mins (on the second clip I posted).

34 posted on 05/01/2021 2:30:01 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism. )
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To: fishtank

they flat out told us if anything happens we will deny you where there


35 posted on 05/01/2021 2:34:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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and lots happened and they know, I wired the boats for sound and sent the tapes to nsa , but there was no international incident no lives lost Putin’s response is what I would expect


36 posted on 05/01/2021 2:38:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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