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To: Spktyr

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know it requires withdrawing your hands from outside the vehicle if you are exiting the vehicle.

Perhaps it could have been handled a bit differently but anyone can be a Monday morning QB.

THe bottom line is the cops gave a lawful order to begin with and the driver opted to argue rather than comply.


32 posted on 04/12/2021 7:13:47 AM PDT by billyboy15 (')
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To: billyboy15

Except the cops are NOT working together properly and following the lawful orders of one could get him shot by the other. The cops do *not* provide instructions or give him permission to lower one hand slowly and unbuckle. One cop tells him to keep his hands up, the other tells him to get out. They are mutually exclusive and they’re implying that they’ll shoot him if he doesn’t comply.

Please tell me how this goes down if you are in the driver’s seat. Remember, if you lower a hand without permission, you will be shot. And you are buckled in, and the police are NOT doing anything but shouting “KEEP YOUR HANDS UP” and “GET OUT OF THE CAR.” Please, do tell us how you get out of the car while keeping your hands in the air.

My local departments specifically train for this sort of thing and they have one officer take the lead specifically to avoid this sort of stupid crap.

Should also point out that this went on long enough that the officers *should* have been able to realize they were given conflicting instructions, especially when the subject was telling them they were.


40 posted on 04/12/2021 7:21:18 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: billyboy15

BS. Those rocket scientists had guns pointed at the man in the car. There was no good reason . So the man pulls his hands out of sight to obey “get out” and the “keep your hands in sight cop” shoots?? I would freeze too.The very act of pointing a gun says “I’m willing to kill you.” Not something to do OR be taken lightly.

Besides the police OUGHT to tell a person why they are being stopped. That used to be the normal thing.

Too many police act like everyone not a cop must be a criminal.(Of course with the truly ridiculous enormous number of laws I seriously expect everyone IS in violation of a dozen laws they’re not even aware of).


78 posted on 04/12/2021 7:54:55 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: billyboy15
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know it requires withdrawing your hands from outside the vehicle if you are exiting the vehicle.

It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you need to unbuckle your seat belt you will take one hand and move it out of sight of the office to nearly exactly where you would be likely to have a firearm. I can't imagine that the police officer really wants that to happen. And that is exactly why more than one driver has been shot to death by a police officer doing exactly that motion.

And also why some police officers have been shot by drivers making exactly that motion.

Smart police officers don't want the driver reaching to their right hand side unless they are very comfortable about the situation and their safety.

95 posted on 04/12/2021 8:22:02 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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