That said, vaccine proponents need to carefully distinguish personal health from public health. The public health argument for measles vaccine is quite persuasive. The vaccine has thousands time less risk than the disease at the low end. Perhaps a million times less risk than the disease at the high end. At the same time, when measles has been eradicated as it was here in the US, the risk of vaccination complications is greater than the risk of getting the disease and having complications.
Since the vaccine risk is higher, the argument is that getting the measles vaccine is a public health benefit because it prevents widespread measles outbreaks. But with COVID the public health benefit is questionable. There's no doubt whatsoever that there will be pressure on individuals to take COVID vaccines as a public health benefit. But the data to support that claim does not exist yet and won't for many months or perhaps years.
You have been doing some work with the election steal commenting on the voting machine algorithm hypothesis. A mechanism is proposed and we look to see if the hypothesis is even feasible and if so then look to see if there is any evidence of something like that actually happening. If so, then we consider what to do about it. Please correct me but this is how I understand your approach.
So my question regards using this same approach with anti-vaccine allegations. I am accepting your public health argument as intuitive and unremarkable, so please understand the actual nature of my question. I have tried asking around about this without success. Since you seem to have good sense, I thought of trying my question on you. I confess I am not embroiled in any of the anti-vaccine debates here on our wonderful forum.
I have studied the blood clot issue with Vaxzevria since the two nurses in Austria died from a “bad batch” and I am satisfied that I know what happened. Blood clots AND low platelets?!? Well when you have few platelets, they get sticky. So now the task will be to verify if that is the case and if so then decide what to do about it. Here is the latest I have on that:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00940-0
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood
Has any fatal mechanism been proposed for any other Covid-19 vaccines?
I understand the “all vaccines bad” argument.
I understand bagster’s “government bad” argument.
Someone gave me some links to anti-vaxxer websites, and I read all those, their idea being that vaccines are fatal because they work exactly as they are designed to do.
I understand the theory behind mRNA vaccines but I cannot imagine how they make the “lipid nanoparticel carrier.”
Here’s what I know about mRNA vaccines:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
Please don’t think I am asking you to read these links, and I do not ask you to take any position on the controversy.
Given for the sake of argument that the Moderna vaccine is killing people, how does it do that?
Thanks!