Posted on 04/09/2021 6:33:11 AM PDT by conservative98
Vaccine advisers to the federal government tell CNN they don't foresee AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine being used in the United States, and even if it were offered, they personally wouldn't take it, given the other available options.
At one point, hopes had been high for AstraZeneca's vaccine, with the US pledging to invest up to $1.2 billion in the vaccine.
But questions arose about the accuracy of AstraZeneca's data, and even more significantly, on Wednesday, European drug regulators said there was a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots. Some countries -- more than 70 have authorized the shot -- have now limited its use.
Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN Wednesday that even if the US Food and Drug Administration granted emergency use authorization to AstraZeneca's vaccine, there's no need for it right now in the United States.
"We already have contracted for enough vaccines, from Moderna and from Pfizer and from [Johnson &Johnson]," he said. "There is no plan to immediately start utilizing the AstraZeneca [vaccine] even if it gets approved through the EUA, which it very well might."
Fauci said it wasn't because of the AstraZeneca vaccine itself, but rather that it's not necessary in the US right now.
"It's not any indictment against the product. We just have a lot of vaccines," he said.
EU agency finds AstraZeneca vaccine can cause rare blood clots, as UK advises other shots for under-30s EU agency finds AstraZeneca vaccine can cause rare blood clots, as UK advises other shots for under-30s But experts advising the government on vaccine policy say that doesn't paint the whole picture.
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One adviser told CNN that federal health officials have privately expressed concern that offering AstraZeneca could increase vaccine hesitancy in the US, which is already a problem among some groups.
"I think they're crossing their fingers that AstraZeneca won't apply for emergency use authorization," the adviser said. "This vaccine has a checkered past. There's baggage. Why go down that road if we don't have to?"
Can anyone call this AstraZeneca product a vaccine when it appears to be something ranging from an experiment to a poison?
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Nothing new here. The CDC has always used Europeans as test subjects to evaluate new drugs or therapies before they are permitted in the US. Some big delays but every once in a while, Americans are spared some nasty downsides.
T.B. Yoits wrote: “Can anyone call this AstraZeneca product a vaccine when it appears to be something ranging from an experiment to a poison?”
It fits the definition of a vaccine: “Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”
There have been fewer than 79 reported instances of blood clots in over 20 million doses administered.
Whow! CNN is actually on target! Their anonymous sources seem to have some hidden knowledge! What a rare occasion.
A top of all above, AstraZeneca specifies like 3-4 months between the shots. Even, if they were approved now, the people, who would get them, would be fully vaccinated somewhen in August. I do not think, I would wait so long by now.
They missed the boat in the US.
Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson's vaccines have excellent safety records, with tens of millions of shots without any reported serious side effects.
The propaganda is strong with this one.
The EMA said its vaccine side effects monitoring system, as of April 4, had received 169 reports of cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), or clots in blood vessels exiting the brain, and 53 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis (SVT), or clotting in veins in the abdomen.
C98 said the vaccine side effects monitoring system, as of April 9, had received 0 reports of cases of clots. Not taking the vaccine seems to be 100% effective in not receiving vaccine side effects. Fauci is very confused by this.
Wow. Amazing to hear that, considering we've been told that Biden had to literally "start from scratch." So impressive that Joe was able to come in and coordinate with other vaccine makers to not only get a vaccine developed, but for us to have so much of it that we can turn away more. In only 70-odd days too. He's really something special for sure.
The AstraZeneca vax is NOT an mRNA vax. Interesting. It works different.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html
Neither is the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Both AZ and J&J use the same adenovirus carrier technology from the 1980s, but J&J uses human adenovirus #5 (a naturally occurring if a bit rare virus) as an inactivated carrier. The disadvantage of this is that some people whose immune systems have already encountered Ad5 will simply eradicate it with existing stored antibodies instead of going to war, taking it apart and learning how to defeat COVID-19 from the remains. AZ attempts to bypass that by using a chimpanzee adenovirus as a carrier which nobody’s immune system will have seen. A good idea in theory, but I think it’s not working out well in wide distribution. The AstraZenica product’s US approval has continually been pushed back by questions within the FDA, who seems to have realized that there’s something wrong with it but hasn’t been able to put a finger on it.
Thanks. Good info. I’m no expert. I have read recently some high powered vax experts are saying beware mRNA vaxes due to possible future immune response issues if certain variants come along. Auto Immune problems.
I don’t know if that’s possible or not. But I decided early on not to take any of them until at least a year of long term data is in. Meanwhile, I’m on HCQ and Ivermectin prophylactically. With D3 and C and Zinc.
I’m also avoiding the mRNA vaccines simply because the technology is not really mature and it doesn’t have a good track record to date.
The J&J and AZ vaccines use an outgrowth of what was originally a 70s/80s gene therapy technology where a modified virus would be introduced and then it would inject its payload into cells to make genetic changes. Turns out that didn’t work. However, being able to render an adenovirus inert then rip out its payload and replace it with something else was potentially useful for vaccines and immunotherapy, which is where we get both the J&J and AZ vaccines. As I said, the AZ use of a chimp virus makes logical sense and has proven out in some small trials (pre-COVID-19) but it seems to have some ugly problems in wide scale usage. J&J stuck with the original human Ad5 carrier and there seem to be few problems. It can’t modify your DNA/RNA, it simply provides your existing immune system with a mock target to learn to kill COVID-19. The worst it can do is nothing - you don’t get immunity. It’s a well understood and mature technology that had all the ugly teething problems discovered 20+ years ago, which is why I got my dose of J&J on Monday.
Forgot to mention - there will likely be a followup at some later point for the J&J vaccination even if COVID-19 doesn’t become a yearly mutated visitor like the flu. Per what I said, some people will have already had Ad5 and will have gotten no benefits from the initial vaccine - it is likely there will be a followup or booster based off human adenovirus 26 to try to make sure all those bases are covered.
They’ll just change the name.
Thanks again! Best info I’ve seen on the differences. Clear and concise. Saving that.
I may take the JnJ then.
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