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To: Ronaldus Magnus; Alas Babylon!
If you had included the entire sentence to what you posted, you would have:

Under international humanitarian law, civilians are "persons who are not members of the armed forces" and are not "combatants if they [don't] carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war".[6][7]

That's clearly referencing a war environment or context.

What the original quote from the alleged eyewitness stated in post #2 was:

Appears that a car smashed into the barrier. Two people are on stretchers. Can’t see whether it’s an officer or civilian pic.twitter.com/Ud5WYGyKFu

That's not an inaccurate statement to make based on the context in which it was made.

Alas Babylon stated in post #24:

"Unless it’s a military officer, it’s a civilian. Police officers are civilians. They’re not military."

That reads to me like police are ALWAYS referred to as "civilians."

Well, in the case of a wartime battlefield being waged by uniformed militaries...yeah...they are civilians.

But in the context of a law enforcement procedure, or civil action, which is what this thread and post #2 was about...it's not necessarily correct that one would refer to both the civilian and the officer as "civilians" which is why I started that post #104 with:

"It's not quit settled science.

They are clearly not "military," but whether they are not considered "civilians" depends on who you ask as well as the context/environment (i.e. on the battlefield in a war or not, in a law enforcement situation, etc)."

It's clear that several dictionary sources exclude law enforcement officers from the definition of "civilian." The "government" also makes a clear distinction between an "officer" and a "civilian." Meaning...they are different.

National Sources of Law Enforcement Employment Data

Each year, state and local law enforcement agencies across the United States voluntarily report to the UCR Program the total number of sworn law enforcement officers and civilians employed by their agencies as of October 31. Law enforcement employees include sworn law enforcement officers and nonsworn (or civilian) personnel. Sworn employees carry a firearm and a badge, have full arrest powers, and are paid from government funds set aside specifically for sworn law enforcement staff. Full-time nonsworn staff include clerks, radio dispatchers, meter attendants, stenographers, jailers, correctional officers, and mechanics. Employees who do not perform primary law enforcement functions or officers who are not paid out of police funds are excluded, as are employees who primarily serve the civil justice system, provide courtroom security, or provide staffing at jail facilities. Law enforcement employees of federal agencies are also excluded.


https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf

So, back to what I stated in 104....it's all about context and distinguishing an "officer" and a "civilian" within the context of a non-wartime scenario.

145 posted on 04/02/2021 5:56:10 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Are you a cop?


147 posted on 04/02/2021 7:28:29 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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