Posted on 03/29/2021 7:51:06 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables
That’s been their goal for a long time and they’ve talked openly about it. So many on FR will willingly take this anyways. They’re all smarter than you or I though, so it’s ok.
He’s been lied to many times. He’s also one man. Put your faith in Jesus, the Son of God, not a man.
Bring your family to a visit in northern Alberta, well get you folks sorted. I’m sure there are other ways too. I would not let anyone I care about touch any of these shots.
You’re not evil, I don’t hate you. You’re a child of God who made you in his image and it sounds like you’re using the brain he gave you effectively.
Halt it? They’re gearing up for infants and young kids.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/25/covid-vaccine-pfizer-begins-trial-on-infants-and-young-kids.html
“Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s GH Discovery team as SPO and later on to work with GAVI as Senior Ebola Program Manager; he subsequently joined the German Center for Infection Research as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. Geert is now primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on NK cell-based vaccines."
His concern is that mass vaccinations during a pandemic can create an evolutionary pressure and can lead to viral escape, not vaccines themselves. I've listened to as many arguments as I can on if this is/might be a problem. I don't have Dr. Vanden Bossche's CV, so I won't be making any pronouncements.
That is an entirely reasonable position. You'll be cancelled, for sure.
If someone tells you Bill Gates is not evil, tell them the Bible says he is ... ‘and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.’
“I’ve read this a couple of times, and I can’t follow his logic”
Yeah, me too. I’m still digesting it. It’s subtle, and he doesn’t explain it well. Kind of disjointed; jumps around. He is writing a paper on it, maybe it will be better.
I’m a fan of vaccines in general, but on this one I’m going to wait a year, minimum. Meanwhile, I’m on HCQ and Ivermectin as prophylactics, and Vitamins C and D3.
From the article: “Last Monday, I provided international health organizations, including the WHO, with my analysis of the current pandemic as based on scientifically informed insights in the immune biology of Covid-19. Given the level of emergency, I urged them to consider my concerns and to initiate a debate on the detrimental consequences of further ‘viral immune escape’... While there is no time to spare, I have not received any feedback thus far. Experts and politicians have remained silent while obviously still eager to talk about relaxing infection prevention rules and ‘springtime freedom’...
From the article: “While one can barely make any incorrect scientific statements without being criticized by peers, it seems like the elite of scientists who are currently advising our world leaders prefer to stay silent. Sufficient scientific evidence has been brought to the table. Unfortunately, it remains untouched by those who have the power to act.”
Political Junkie Too wrote: “He’s presenting arguments that vaccines based on NK cells are the appropriate approach because they are a part of the body’s natural immunity system for dealing with general viral attacks. He says that the current targeted approach trains the COVID-19 virus to mutate to “escape” the vaccine, which puts the general population more at risk of a “super-bug” that will move to the less immune portions of the population.”
Political Junkie Too wrote: “I’m just looking for answers to reasonably posed questions by recognized experts in their fields. I would be more persuaded by point-by-point refutations of the science he presented than vague “of course” outright rejections.”
The silence his ‘science’ received from elite scientists should answer all your questions. His ‘science’ isn’t even worthy of point-by-point refutations. It’s junk.
His real point is we should stop all vaccinations during this pandemic until the number of infections drop below a critical value. Why do you think it is credible to argue that we shouldn’t fight a disease with vaccines that are safe and effective? One can only wonder if his motivation is his preoccupation with vaccines based upon NK cells. Is he someone so much in love with his own work that he condemns the work of others.
When I say “he” I am referring to people generally, not the author.
I disagree.
We are not a peer-review forum, we are FReepers debating an issue.
I don't accept "isn't even worthy of... refutations" excuses. Take the time to refute at least one scientific point to demonstrate "it's junk" to the rest of us.
His real point is we should stop all vaccinations during this pandemic until the number of infections drop below a critical value. Why do you think it is credible to argue that we shouldn’t fight a disease with vaccines that are safe and effective?
I'll humor you this one time on the hope that you will reply with on-point content and not hyperbole.
He's arguing that the current vaccine regime will shortly result in a renewed spike in infections as the virus moves from people with specifically targeted vaccines to generally immature immune-resistant people. He suggests that we'll know soon enough if this is the case because the vaccines are not capable of building up more generalized immunities against the COVID-19 virus.
He's arguing that the effectiveness of the current vaccines are temporary because they are not aiding the body's natural immune system to generally detect the virus. He's arguing that the vaccine is specific and that the virus will mutate, strengthen, and move to younger and more receptive hosts.
Can you rebut these points of his?
One can only wonder if his motivation is his preoccupation with vaccines based upon NK cells. Is he someone so much in love with his own work that he condemns the work of others.
This is hyperbole. I don't need to wonder what his motivations are if his science is sound. Can you demonstrate that his science is unsound?
-PJ
Political Junkie Too wrote: “Take the time to refute at least one scientific point to demonstrate “it’s junk” to the rest of us.”
I did. “His real point is we should stop all vaccinations during this pandemic until the number of infections drop below a critical value. Why do you think it is credible to argue that we shouldn’t fight a disease with vaccines that are safe and effective?”
Political Junkie Too wrote: “This is hyperbole. I don’t need to wonder what his motivations are if his science is sound. Can you demonstrate that his science is unsound?”
If his science is so sound then why has his science been ignored by the scientific establishment. Even he admits he’s only received ‘silence’.
Many here have cast doubt on mRNA vaccines because of financial motivations. Why is it inappropriate to question his motivations. He sounds like a car salesman telling you to avoid death trap chevrolets and buy his ford instead.
If his science is so sound then why has his science been ignored by the scientific establishment. Even he admits he’s only received ‘silence’.
Politics is the only feasible explanation. These are the people who said hydroxychloroquine was poison because President Trump endorsed it before the election, only to retract and support it after the election. These are the people who took China's side at the WHO over Trump's side, because Orange Man Bad.
If the science were there to rebut (not necessarily refute) the arguments, they wouldn't be silent. This is the "trust the science" crowd that hammered us for a year. So, where's the science to rebut the science? Silence is avoidance, not rebuttal.
Many here have cast doubt on mRNA vaccines because of financial motivations. Why is it inappropriate to question his motivations. He sounds like a car salesman telling you to avoid death trap chevrolets and buy his ford instead.
He does not, and again, that is hyperbole.
He has a reputable CV, which you are waving away as a "car salesman." He said he gave a presentation at a symposium of his peers, he said he's writing a paper to be peer-reviewed but time is short, he said his letter was a synopsis of that larger paper. I recall that people also questioned the motivation of Dr. Fauci because of his investment history. Did that disqualify Fauci from providing a scientific basis for his conclusions?
Are unproven allegations of parallel interests enough to discredit some, but not others?
So far, you have not addressed any of the science that he presented. You only attacked it as opposition to the current vaccine, only challenging the motivation of the doctor but not the premise of his arguments. You attempted to diminish his credentials without evidence, suggesting allegations that were also levied at others on the other side of the debate. You invoked the silence of others as refutation instead of affirmative argument, and only generalizing these others as "healthcare professionals" without specifying the people or their CVs to make such claims.
I want to be convinced one way or the other, but your approach is not getting me there.
-PJ
Therein lies the problem. HCQ, Ivermectin, Nebulized hydrogen Peroxide along with a mycin and Vitamins A, C, D and Zinc are fine prophylactics. Vaccine used to have a different definition but of course a lot of other words did too
At one time, Trump approved of many pols that only stabbed him in the back in the end. I love the man but he never got it through his head that he was dealing with the true scum of the earth, politicians. Big Pharma is POLITICAL and has been for decades.
You really are IGNORANT of vaccines aren’t you???
Vaccine Ingredients and Vaccine Secrets
https://healthwyze.org/reports/60-vaccine-secrets
Political Junkie Too wrote: “So far, you have not addressed any of the science that he presented. You only attacked it as opposition to the current vaccine, only challenging the motivation of the doctor but not the premise of his arguments. You attempted to diminish his credentials without evidence, suggesting allegations that were also levied at others on the other side of the debate. You invoked the silence of others as refutation instead of affirmative argument, and only generalizing these others as “healthcare professionals” without specifying the people or their CVs to make such claims.”
He has made the extraordinary claim that we should immediately cease all vaccinations that are not based upon his preferred approach. It is not my responsibility to refute those claims.
“Political Junkie Too wrote:”I want to be convinced one way or the other, but your approach is not getting me there.”
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It is his responsibility to provide that proof and it would seem the scientific community has rejected his claims. IOW, he doesn’t have the proof required to substantiate his claims.
I believe your mind is made up. You’re only looking for information that fortifies your anti-vaxxer opinions.
-PJ
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