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Posted on 03/27/2021 8:51:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Anytime a mass shooting takes place, Democrats and members of the mainstream media make assumptions about why the gunman carried out the attack and how gun control proposals could have prevented the tragedy. The same thing happened following last week's attack in Boulder, Colorado. As the scene was unfolding, speculation took place and instant calls for anti-Second Amendment legislation were imminent.
One of the biggest claims is that "universal background checks" or "enhanced background checks" could have prevented the gunman from obtaining his firearm. This is flat-out false.
Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa purchased his Ruger AR-556 pistol six days before he carried out the attack at the Kings Soopers store in Boulder. He made the purchase at the Eagles Nest Armory in Arvada, Colorado, Reuters reported.
Alissa purchased his firearm from a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL), meaning he purchased the firearm legally. He went to a "gun dealer," filled out a 4473 form – the form that's used to process a background check through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) – underwent a background check, he passed, and the sale proceeded.
Democrats – including President Joe Biden – are pushing for the Senate to pass H.R. 8 and H.R. 1446, a pair of bills that would expand background checks, meaning a seller would have to undergo a background check, even for private sales.
There are three problems with these calls though: the first is that Colorado has universal background checks. If a person sells their firearm privately, he or she must meet the buyer at an FFL, where the buyer has to fill out the 4473 form and undergo the background check process. Even if Alissa purchased the firearm from a private party (which he didn't), he would still have to go to an FFL and have a background check run. The state has had this law in place since March of 2013, following the attacks at Sandy Hook.
The second issue: Alissa didn't have any felony convictions. He had a misdemeanor assault charge on his record for hitting another student when he was a senior in high school, back in 2018. In order to be denied for firearm purchases, a felony conviction has to be on a person's record. This was a legal transaction. He was not deemed a prohibited possessor at the time of purchase.
The third problem: the gunman was on the FBI's watch list before the shooting. Did the agency have information that showed he was a threat? Did they have information about a potential attack? Was this another example of the FBI dropping the ball?
Universal background checks sound great on paper, especially to those who are ignorant about firearm policies and legislation, but they do very little to curb "gun violence." The Boulder shooting is the latest example of where those gun control measures – which proponents guarantee would prevent mass carnage – have failed.
AWR Hawkins from Breitbart listed the other attacks where other gunmen legally obtained through firearms (through background checks conducted at FFLs):
- Atlanta-area attacker (March 16, 2021)
- Parkland high school attacker (February 14, 2018)
- Texas church attacker (November 5, 2017)
- Las Vegas attacker (October 1, 2017)
- Alexandria attacker (June 14, 2017))
- Orlando attacker (June 12, 2016)
- UCLA gunman (June 1, 2016))
- San Bernardino attackers (December 2, 2015)
- Colorado Springs attacker (October 31, 2015)
- Umpqua Community College attacker (October 1, 2015)
- Alison Parker’s attacker (August 26, 2015)
- Lafayette movie theater attacker (July 23, 2015)
- Chattanooga attacker (July 16, 2015)
- Alleged Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal attacker (Jun 17, 2015)
- Muhammad Carton Contest attackers (May 3, 2014)
- Las Vegas cop killers (June 9, 2015)
- Santa Barbara attacker (May 23, 2014)
- Fort Hood attacker (April 2, 2014)
- Arapahoe High School attacker (December 13, 2013)
- D.C. Navy Yard attacker (September 16, 2013)
- Aurora movie theater attacker (July 20, 2012)
- Gabby Giffords’ attacker (January 8, 2011)
- Fort Hood attacker (November 5, 2009)
- Northern Illinois University attacker (February 14, 2008)
- Virginia Tech attacker (April 16, 2007).
What these bills really do is to create a firearms registry. It would mean the government would know exactly who owns what guns moving forward, something Second Amendment supporters believe could lead to firearm confiscation. It also penalizes private party transfers, which typically take place between family and friends, and already regulated. Further legislation would be redundant.
***Democrats – including President Joe Biden – are pushing for the Senate to pass H.R. 8 and H.R. 1446, a pair of bills that would expand background checks,...**
Biden, from 2013.
https://humanevents.com/2013/01/18/biden-we-cant-enforce-the-old-laws-so-we-need-more/
Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words during an interview with The Daily Caller:
“And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”
I suspect the number is close to zero.
We have explained this over and over and over. We have shown them the proof over and over and over. They don’t care about the truth. This is personal to them, It’s the politics of revenge.
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Childers Palace Backpackers Hostel fire
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Arson attack by Robert Paul Long, which killed 15 international backpackers.
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Who’s Shooting? - American Thinker LONGER TIME LINE NEEDED, STATS (LINK HEAVY)
Time, Race, Religion, CHART: 4 blacks No religion given, 1 white Christian i.e. TRUMP HATER, 1 Hispanic No religion given, 1 Arab-Muslim,
LINKS As for Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa’s religion or ethnicity, nothing so far. The L.A. Times is silent about both. One must dive into alternative media to discover what he believed. Heavy.com has many quotes from his Facebook page, now deleted. He hated Donald Trump, was homophobic (”God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve just saying”), and opposed abortion (”Abortion is disgusting”). Wait, does that make him pro-life?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/03/whos_shooting.html
“On average, how many people are murdered each year in the USA by guns that were purchased without a background check?
I suspect the number is close to zero.”
I suspect most of the ghetto shootings are with guns purchased/obtained without a background check.
Being a Muslim, he should have been profiled,
“Democrats – including President Joe Biden – are pushing for the Senate to pass H.R. 8 and H.R. 1446, a pair of bills that would expand background checks, meaning a seller would have to undergo a background check, even for private sales.”
And what is this supposed to accomplish? Until the street corner salesmen are put out of business, the illegal gun sales will be placing weapons in the hands of criminals.
Back ground checks are only good for those that buy up front and are clean. Street corners sell to anyone and don’t get a background check because the sale never happened. According to the ATF, there were almost 288K gun used crimes where the criminal was captured in the US last year. Of those, almost all (right at 75% percent) were obtained illegally through the black market. The other sales for them were basically from relatives at 25%. About 1.3 percent of all prisoners obtained a gun from a retail source and used it during their offense, the study stated. Moreover, among the prisoners who possessed a firearm during their offense, “0.8 percent obtained it at a gun show.” So much for gun checks.
This information comes from the ATF through FOX news. That’s why it isn’t heard very much.
wy69
"...What retard sells a gun to someone with that name?
DENY the sale. Tell him the prices went up. Let him sue..."
Hasn't stopped them yet; won't stop them in the future. We ALL break minor 'laws' every single day; there are so many of them, they've ALL become meaningless!
I wonder if Congress Critters think they get paid by the printed word? We need to make them clear on that subject!
Blaming one's mental illness takes responsibility away from the individual and places it on society.
People make bad choices, do bad things and should be held responsible for those choices.
Better question would be to ask if the buyer is lib.
Five times as many People die from being Stabbed as from being Shot by a Criminal wielding a Rifle.
Solution, Federal Background Checks on all Cutlery Sales at a Licensed Cutlery Dealer and banning all Private Sales of Cutlery.
Doesn’t matter to the Leftists. They want to Ban ownership of every Firearm in existence. One guy on Twitter wanted Prison Terms or the Death Penalty for anyone caught with a Firearm.
I usually tell them Banning Firearms worked out well for the Nazis but not too well for the Jews. Any Jew found with a Firearm was immediately Executed. That usually shuts them up.
On average, how many people are murdered each year in the USA by guns that were purchased without a background check?
I suspect the number is close to zero.
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How about thousands.
Chicago. over 10,000 illegal guns confiscated by police in 2019. The past 5 years Chicago has pretty much exceeded 600 murders per year, one of the highest murder rates in the country. And that does not include stabbings, beatings, arson etc. Just firearm murders
www.heyjackass.com
keeps a current running tally..as of today, 39 shot and killed.
I just looked up a few articles about guns confiscated by cops in Chicago, most were already convicted felons, who cannot pass background checks, and a couple specifically said serial numbers had been ground off.
This runs true in other large cities too, criminals tend to get guns on the black market, or steal them. Black market guns are often stolen too.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/60599-90-percent-of-guns-used-in-crime-obtained-illegally-2019-01-17
Known for a long time, pretty consistent, the DOJ fi ds that about 90% of guns used in crimes are found to be illegally obtained. That article says 1% of convicted felons got guns through retail sale.
Similar article at gunlaws .com
https://gun.laws.com/illegal-guns/illegal-guns-statistics
Conclusion not much different.
Pretty good pdf published by the DOJ
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
A separate one said that from 1985 to 1994 an annual average of 274,000 guns were reported stolen. That’s 274,000 a year on average. And that’s over 25 years ago.
I’m not sure anyone can give you a really accurate answer, but the majority of firearm related crimes involve illegal guns, the exceptions being domestic disputes or drunk friends get into an argument that goes sideways, otherwise most murders probably involve illegal guns such as in Chicago, where guns in general are illegal and must be obtained on the black market, and most of their 600+ murders a year are the result of gang activity.
How many guns are used that were purchased without background checks?
LOTS.
> didn’t have any felony convictions
The background check system has a gigantic blind spot regarding the juvenile record.
If there’s going to be such a system, it has to include the juvenile record.
Otherwise, you can be an unstable and dangerous shit-disturber until you are 18, then go buy a gun.
Facts are racist.
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But onlookers keep having their attention drawn to the guns as causative objects, rather than reporters focusing on the mental states of the shooters and the violence-enabling drugs involved. Usually levels of depression or schizophrenia have kept the affected person out of action because they just do not have the ability or energy or persistence to string the ideas together needed for a complex deadly plan, so it doesn't happen.
The nasty effect of the drugs is that they remove the incapacitating barriers, thus propelling a deadly plan to progress. Furthermore, these drugs seem also to be addictive, enabling a permanent dependency and change of thought patterns, sometimes for the worse.
Only rarely is this issue brought to the fore, but a few have. Check out Robert Whitaker, journalist, and his "Anatomy Of An Epidemic" (click here) of drug-caused ballooning mental illness in America. Another later article "Anatomy of a Non-Epidemic == A Review by Dr. Torrey" (click here) amplifies and corrects parts of Whitaker's theme.
The really bad actors are the benzodiazepines--anti-anxiety substances--whose advent seem to match up with a sharp increase in the number of violent outcomes of their administration. Why do we not hear of the non-mass-shooting but unwanted violent scenarios coming out of the use of supposedly "psychotropic" drugs? Are these outcomes not being withheld or suppressed because of the negative economic impact to their makers and prescribers?
(For anyone reading this screed of mine, there are sources where one can begin a program of withdrawal from the addictive effects of some of these debilitating substances. One of them is Point of Return (click here)
I was trying to keep my question simple.
Obviously, criminals steal guns.
Obviously, criminals sell or rent guns to other criminals without background checks.
How many of those 10,000 illegal guns in Chicago would disappear with universal background checks?
Same answer I gave before - close to zero.
I believe CO has a red flag law as well. His family knew he had a gun and was unstable, but did not report him.
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