Posted on 03/05/2021 11:33:32 AM PST by RomanSoldier19
Neither side has the appetite for all-out war but experts fear their intense strategic competition in which both conduct carefully calculated tests of the other's resolve could spill over into violent confrontation. And US military expert Lyle Goldstein warned there was a solid chance the US could lose the first fight with the People's Liberation Army in the event of a full-on conflict.
Prof Goldstein from the Naval War College's China Maritime Studies Institute in Newport, Rhode Island, told Newsweek: "It is very plausible to say there is no guarantee of victory in the first phases."
He said scenarios for such a confrontation varied substantially but warned all "are extremely challenging" for US forces.
He said: "I think China now has adequate forces, including air, missile, electronic warfare, spec ops, naval, undersea and nuclear to likely prevail in the first phase and perhaps in subsequent phases too."
He said weaponry had a "quite important" role but said China would gain the upper hand because of its favourable geography, greater will and the willingness to strike first."
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We do all the R&D, their spies steal our plans, data and info, and replicate much of what we have. Don’t kid yourself.
“Not a concern, we spend 5 times as much on our military as China spends on theirs. Therefore we CANNOT be beaten by them, or anyone else.Don’t believe this crap, the numbers PROVE them wrong.”
A high percentage of what we spend is on pensions and health care.
There are 10 industries that make a superpower.
10 years ago we controlled all 10.
Now China controls 3or 4
The US have apapox 10,000 patents each years. China last year had almost 50,000.
I have been fighting you china apologist for 20 years.
yep, anything on MSM is what China wants us to believe.
“Not a concern, we spend 5 times as much on our military as China spends on theirs. Therefore we CANNOT be beaten by them, or anyone else.
Don’t believe this crap, the numbers PROVE them wrong.”
Thank you for the BS detector. In addition, China’s weak economy wouldn’t stand such a conflict. Doom and gloomers are full of it.
Depends on the ROE.
Remember they are a nuclear power. Is LA worth Taiwan?
That is absolutely true and it is the reason why we are going to see more and more lies about the Superior Chinese military. They want to break the will of the American people. The will of the people is just as important in battle as the strength of the fighting forces. They are going to try to convince us that surrender is the best option. It's an absurd lie but it won't matter if the people believe it.
We are bankrupt and in collapse mode in various areas. We need a war with China like we do a hole in our head.
There is no benefit in any more wars unless United States itself is attacked. Period.
“We do all the R&D, their spies steal our plans, data and info, and replicate much of what we have. Don’t kid yourself.”
That was in the past. China had 49,000 patents granted last year, the US 10,000
“Farewell to the American People”
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
Address to the nation
Washington, D.C.
https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2004/October%202004/1004keeperfull.pdf
[Excerpt:]
“Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development.”
Geez, didn’t Iraq have a battle tested army that was gonna massacre our Army.
Oh yeah. And now China. Well with our government filled with traitor’s like PedoJoe and the rest of the communists in power.
We have spent twenty years and trillions of dollars pretending to fight a loosely organized group of illiterate goatherders. We have more carrier ships than the rest of the world combined, two fifth generation fighter aircraft when the rest of the world doesn’t even have one, all of the expensive weapons and money to support development for more. The best trained and best equipped troops in history, multiple redundant echelons of special operations forces in different branches. Still, we can’t compel goatherders in Afghanistan to submit to our will.
America doesn’t fight wars to win them, it fights wars to make sure tax dollars stay flowing to defense contractors. If we fought wars to win them, we would have won long ago.
Get this.the Author of this story states that”It is very plausible to say there is no guarantee of victory in the first phases.”
I guess this guy hasn’t read much about military history.Since there are No Guarantees of victory in war.The U.S. Found that out during the Korean and Vietnam wars.
After the expenditure of billions of dollars and the loss of 66000 military personnel.
Is Obambi’s no first strike and no nuke response if the US or Allies nuked still in place? Has Biteme reinstated that same policy after Trump changed it back to commonsense response?
“I assume that was sarcasm.”
You figured it out!!! I don’t like to write /sarc on my posts, but instead drip out in several places. I only post what I did because PEOPLE HERE said the same - total idiots for thinking that.
The first problem we have is that China is building naval vessels 5 times faster than we are. Then, at least in recent history, it is often the country that spends less that does better (even in WW2, we were getting our butts kicked at the outset, by countries far less wealthy than us).
The next problem is how much does China REALLY spend? Do we have a source at their top levels sending us their budgets? I think not.
The next problem is what does China get for what they do spend. Do they have aerospace engineers making $200k a year, or closer to $20k a year (hint, it’s the second of the two).
The next problem is what they COULD be spending. We knew, correctly, that our economy was far larger than the Soviet economy. Can we say ours is far larger than China’s, or any larger than China’s, or even close to the size of China’s? I don’t think we know enough - but given that they vastly outproduce us on virtually everything that’s measured (such as cars, steel, concrete, power generation, etc.), I wouldn’t be surprised if their economy is already significantly larger than ours.
Look, I’m as pro-American as anyone else is here, but I DO NOT hide behind our flag to the point of not seeing what the rest of the world is doing while we’re arguing with Democrats over whether 5 year old boys should get their twang cut off because they play with their sister’s Barbie Dolls.
This articles conclusion is true, but only because the guy on the other side of the chess board needs a bib to eat his oatmeal.
Will Biden and Austin send out orders to “fraternize” with the Chinese?
Gee I thought we fighting in Afghanistan to keep the heroin flowing?
Is there any other viable reason to stay in Afghanistan?
They produce literally nothing. They are a land locked mountainous country of little significance. They control no major trade routes other than the home of the poppy fields. They have no oil.
I think they may have some lithium.
Maybe there is a great worldwide demand for 1980s Toyota Tacomas and Datson pick up trucks.
We waste our money and pay extremely high prices. China doesn’t waste their money as much and pay for lower prices.
One U.S. dollar is worth about 6.5 Chinese yuan renminbi. Chinese workers are also paid far less relative to their labor market than U.S. defense contractor employees. Chinese military hardware costs far less than U.S. hardware.
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