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Iowa House Panels Advance Resolutions Calling for Constitutional Convention
iowatorch.com ^ | 2/17/21 | Shane Vander Hart

Posted on 02/18/2021 9:57:53 AM PST by cotton1706

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To: woodpusher
The states have not been truly sovereign since the adoption of the 14th Amendment which dictated to states who was a citizen of a state. After the 14th Amendment, states lost the power of self-determination, one of the hallmarks of sovereignty.

It certainly starts with the 14th Amendment. The near infinite expansion of the Commerce Clause took most of the sovereignty the states had left. The 14th Amendment was intended to simply grant state citizenship to the slaves. The text of the document grants the federal government the power to require that a state recognize a foreign born person as its citizen. In terms of representative government, the federal government is now telling the states who its citizens are and who can vote in elections, which means the states are not sovereign. According to Scalia's 2013 opinion in In Arizona v Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, states can't even require proof of citizenship for voting. So, non-citizens can now vote easily.
61 posted on 02/19/2021 3:46:14 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Rurudyne

By your measure, Americans are incapable of self-government.


62 posted on 02/19/2021 5:27:05 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

For many that would be an accurate description, and not just the twits running around spouting socialist nonsense and evidencing magical thinking that once they tear down what is here somehow a new society of kindness and fairness will pop up.

(Consider this: https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/regurgitating-the-apple-how-modern-liberals-think )

The Cultural Marxists have done their job well. So too have more than a century of race grievance pimps, already a thing to be described by Booker Washington at the dawn of the 20th. Likewise too many people have been also conditioned to be entitled and hold out their hands, not to the Lord but to government. The list goes on and on.

Even discounting the Left for which nothing of the old extreme Left is extreme to it anymore (which is why Sanders doesn’t have to pretend he’s not a Democrat anymore) you still have people who love the benefits of Arbitrary government derived from FDR’s lawlessness. Who think they’ve a right to see others defrauded of their means for illegitimate benefits simply because they were already similarly defrauded to give illegitimate benefits to others (entitlements are the proverbial gateway drugs for Arbitrary government).

In every respect this nation has dry rot everywhere, arguably no town or community is free of it, and what remains that might otherwise be sound and trustworthy is undermined by said dry rot.

The falling away is also happening already, and for evidence I would point out that the fruit ascribed to lives that have been turned over to reprobate minds is very common in this culture. Indeed, mere perversion without madness is yesterday’s news given the rise of genderism.


63 posted on 02/19/2021 8:49:47 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Secession is more aggressive than nullification, but nullification is just one step away from it. Secession creates a constitutional crisis which can result in a declaration of the Insurrection Act, and occupation by federal troops. That leads to something like Lexington and Concord eventually. Who fires the first shot in a civil war is mostly a matter of image. The underlying intractable political dispute was already present.

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With respect to your first sentence, I agree that federal troops could be deployed against militia groups loyal to the Seceding State. That will be where the rubber meats the road won’t it.

For our side to have a chance against a professional military we would have to have overwhelming numbers. Would our side show up to a fight? I don’t know. If we didn’t, then we must be able to take orders and lose most of our rights.


64 posted on 02/19/2021 8:11:18 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: Cen-Tejas; Dr. Franklin; familyop; Rurudyne; Political Junkie Too
Cen-Tejas, as your state of Texas alone retained right of secession no Federal troop action would in any way be legal. I'd like to see a move to to that just so I can witness the other politicians soil themselves.

All this alarm over a States Convention is unwarranted. As a few pointed out it takes 3/4 approval to get anything done, and the battle to hammer out terms and language to assuage that super-majority takes time and much effort. But it should be started if only to get Congress closer to it's assigned track.

Those Founding Fathers were crafty sons of guns - it'll take more than knocking their statues down to dent their legacy. An honest judiciary would recognize the Commerce Clause has been stretched far beyond original intent just like the definition of citizenship. It's time for a revival meeting!

65 posted on 02/20/2021 4:48:23 PM PST by MikelTackNailer (President Trump did things FOR America. Pretendesident does things TO her.)
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To: MikelTackNailer

you are 100% correct on every sentence as far as I am concerned.


66 posted on 02/20/2021 6:20:16 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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