Posted on 02/10/2021 9:01:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Today is first day of Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, and we are witnessing the House Impeachment Managers present their case claiming that he directly incited the Washington DC Capitol Riots which allegedly led to the deaths of seven American lives. On a side not, that is ignoring the fact that two of those deaths were from suicide after the fact, one police officer whose death we do not know the cause, a Trump supporter died of a stroke, while another had a heart attack and then one unarmed woman was shot in cold blood by an undercover police officer. For being a “violent insurrection,” the facts don’t seem to support this claim, on top of the fact that if it were actually an insurrection there would have been the attempt to take over the country and rule America. That simply did not happen. What we must remember, however, is that this impeachment trial is not simply about convicting the President, but about breaking his supporters’ spirits.
You see, what the Democrats and the RINOs leading the Republican Party are attempting to do is ensure that the MAGA movement is destroyed once and for all. They want us to know that, even though we voted for Donald Trump and won the election fair and square, we made the wrong decision. We made the wrong choice. They know better than us, and are protecting us from ourselves. This is dangerous territory in American history when we have the ruling class taking the electoral power away from the American people. This is the behavior of countries like Venezuela and Cuba, not the United States of America.
The Washington DC political elite hate the American people. They want to take away our will to be free. That is what Trump represented: freedom, liberty and opportunity. If the Dems and GOP want to keep their power, they must destroy any semblance of Trump and his followers.
Ultimately, however, had Trump actually lost the 2020 Election, this impeachment would not be happening. They would actually want to him to run again in 2024 since they had already defeated him once, and handily according to the mainstream media narrative. Instead, they know they stole this election and they are outnumbered in any fair election. Thus, they have to ensure that the MAGA crowd never gains control. This impeachment against President Trump is only Step 1 in their bid to gain indefinite control of our great country.
Boy ain’t that true!
They can claim to have impeached him but he can still run in 2024 because it is not an impeachment.
This whole thing is a mega-cluster. Where are the consequences for outright election theft as well as fraud? Inquiring minds want to know. I could give two craps about 2022 or 2024 since 2020 has yet to be resolved in a satisfactory manner.
The sham impeachment will not end with a conviction. They know it and so does everybody else. They just want it to go down in the history books as the ones who impeached him twice. They should all be hanging from lamp posts.
“...he directly incited the Washington DC Capitol Riots”
Exactly!
Should this sham find him guilt and won for them - you watch.. they’ll admit that he won the election and was still President.
THAT is how they find this Constitutional. They KNOW he won - even if we are ORDERED to forget that... as long as we keep following their orders, they win...
I have been saying this all along.
Methinks they doth protest too much.
The false flag on Jan. 6th & the impeachment is simply an attempt to legitimatize the Biden/Harris Administration.
More truth is being revealed on the nefarious acts different groups & individuals did at the Capital to incite violence. But for the most part, true MAGA was resolutely restrained & protested with far less violence than the BLM/Antifa “mostly peaceful protests” over the summer.
However AOC’s horrific experience on that day keeps coming to mind. When I think about AOC & how frightened for her life she was, albeit a block or more away from the Capital locked in her office bathroom. Still... Terrified! Why would she be so afraid? The only thing that comes to mind is that the Democrats did not win the 2020 election at all. They cheated. So AOC knew what her party & supporters did & therefore she understood what the reprisal that they truly deserved was. It is the only explanation that makes sense.
Makes sense...they do portray naked guilt!
If Trump had not won, no one would be banned from Twitter, FB, YouTube news stations would not be censoring people WHY in the hell would they care what anyone said!!! They just don’t want investigative information being shared amongst us, if Trump had lost ALL precincts would have NO PROBLEMS auditing EVERYTHING with auditors that were NOT biased THAT is the proof that Trump won in a landslide!!!
Several GoP controlled legislatures and State Supreme Courts were stampeded by Covid-fears into approving mail in balloting and other 'reforms' that facilitated Democrat election chicanery. Demoralizing the GoP faithful will stall most attempts to reverse those election law changes at the state level.
For being a “violent insurrection,” the facts don’t seem to support this claim, on top of the fact that if it were actually an insurrection there would have been the attempt to take over the country and rule America. That simply did not happen. What we must remember, however, is that this impeachment trial is not simply about convicting the President, but about breaking his supporters’ spirits.
Insurrection simply did not happen. The one and only Article alleges "ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION." The laundry list of allegations associated with the one and only Article do not support the allegation of Incitement of Insurrection.
Black's Law Dictionary, 11th Ed., 2019.
insurrection. (15c) A violent revolt against an oppressive authority, usu. a government.“A popular tumult is a disorderly gathering of people who refuse to listen to the voice of their superiors, whether they be disaffected towards their superiors themselves or merely towards certain private individuals. These violent movements occur when the people believe themselves harassed, and they are more often caused by tax-collectors than by any other class of public officers. If the anger of the people is directed particularly against the magistrates or other officers invested with the public authority, and if it is carried so far as to result in positive disobedience or acts of violence, the movement is called a sedition. And when the evil extends and wins over the majority of the citizens in a town or province, and gains such strength that the sovereign is no longer obeyed, it is usual to distinguish such an uprising more particularly by the name of an insurrection." Charles G. Fenwick, The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law 336 (1916).
“Insurrection is distinguished from rout, riot, and offense connected with mob violence by the fact that in insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government, while crimes growing out of mob violence, however serious they may be and however numerous the participants, are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.” 77 C.J.S. Riot; Insurrection § 29, at 579 (1994).
C.J.S. stands for Corpus Juris Secundum, a legal encyclopedia.
Allegations of mob violence and riot do not evidence an insurrection. And an article of impeachment is not divisible for the purpose of voting at any time during the trial.
Rules of Procedure and Practice in the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials, Rule XXIII:
XXIII. An article of impeachment shall not be divisible for the purpose of voting thereon at any time during the trial. Once voting has commenced on an article of impeachment, voting shall be continued until voting has been completed on all articles of impeachment unless the Senate adjourns for a period not to exceed one day or adjourns sine die. On the final question whether the impeachment is sustained, the yeas and nays shall be taken on each article of impeachment separately; and if the impeachment shall not, upon any of the articles presented, be sustained by the votes of two-thirds of the members present, a judgment of acquittal shall be entered; but if the person impeached shall be convicted upon any such article by the votes of two-thirds of the members present, the Senate may proceed to the consideration of such other matters as may be determined to be appropriate prior to pronouncing judgment. Upon pronouncing judgment, a certified copy of such judgment shall be deposited in the office of the Secretary of State. A motion to reconsider the vote by which any article of impeachment is sustained or rejected shall not be in order.
Bruce Castor brought attention to the allegation citing the 14th Amendment at page 76 of the House Managers' Trial Memorandum
The need for conviction and disqualification is further supported by Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from government service those who “having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”292 President Trump’s conduct offends everything that the Constitution stands for. The Senate must make clear to him and all who follow that a President who provokes armed violence against the government of the United States in an effort to overturn the results of an election will face trial and judgment.
Even assuming arguendo that the alleged conduct occurred, it would not support a claim of an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. Also, the term enemies, as used in the 14th Amendment, applies to foes in a war. There are no enemies in a riot or civil disturbance. Contesting an election result certainly is not insurrection. Alleging voter fraud is not insurrection.
This theatrical event not only seeks to break the spirit of Trump supporters, it seeks to execute the illusionist trick of misdirection. While people are focused on this theatrical production, they are not concentrating on what the Biden administration is doing.
They can claim to have impeached him but he can still run in 2024 because it is not an impeachment.
It is a very real impeachment, and is a very real trial. If convicted and disqualified, Trump could not run in 2024.
The probability of conviction is near zero.
What if Democrats are holding the impeachment because it will further divide the Republicans/Conservatives, and the Republicans going along with it don’t realize this is the real goal?
Even Jesus didn’t win them all — because winning isn’t the ONLY thing. The main thing is that we know the difference —between the true and the false. That goes beyond what the media (Pharisees and the Scribes) say is true — and the only way to think about these things.
Yes the media would like it if we all bought into what they are selling — but as the wise have always noted, the majority is usually wrong — and not that “might makes right,” so we all have to chant and repeat only what we are instructed to — and not that we should think for ourselves anymore.
We need to be MORE discriminating rather than less. The ability to discriminate is the the antidote for Prejudice and Bias — but if we cannot tell the difference (discriminate), then we go along with the mob — and that is what all the great literature and wisdom warns us of. It comes in different guises each time.
Yes, it would be nice if everyone recognized the truth — but what matters, is the few who do — in every generation and circumstances, and remain steadfast in that truth — by living it. They eventually Inherit (change) the world — as truth stands the test of time, while the false come and go with the regularity of arbitrariness and capriciousness, and the indoctrinations of the present moment.
Making the critical discriminations is what life is all about — and not simply trying to be only on the “winning” side — because there is a reward greater than we have been “conditioned” to value as the only thing that matters. We see the truth play out — and not that is what others tell us is so.
“It is a very real impeachment, and is a very real trial”
No, it is not. It is a farce as is all things liberal. All Trump would have to do is take this to the USSC and have it tossed. Not even the chief justice attended because this is an improper procedure.
No, it is not. It is a farce as is all things liberal. All Trump would have to do is take this to the USSC and have it tossed. Not even the chief justice attended because this is an improper procedure.
The Chief Justice only presides when the President is being tried. Donald Trump is not the President.
As for the Supreme Court, try reading its precedent on a potential review of an impeachment.
Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. 224, 234-35 (1993)
(234) “There are two additional reasons why the Judiciary, and the Supreme Court in particular, were not chosen to have any role in impeachments.”(235) “Judicial involvement in impeachment proceedings, even if only for purposes of judicial review, is counterintuitive because it would eviscerate the ‘important constitutional check’ placed on the Judiciary by the Framers.”
Having no role to play, the Court has played no role in impeachments for more than two centuries, and will continue to play no role in impeachments until the Constitution changes or they reinterpret the Constitution.
You missed the entire point. The congress cannot impeach a private citizen. Try explaining that one away.
If Biden had really won, Dems would have agreed to vote audits in the swing states. Instead we get a farce impeachment trial.
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