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The Fight That Lies Between Status Quo and Secession: NULLIFICATION
American Thinker ^ | 2/2/21 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 02/02/2021 7:51:39 AM PST by chiller

It is time to embrace what Thomas Jefferson called the “rightful remedy” for all federal usurpation of states’ domain: nullification

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; executiveorders; learntopost
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Let's grow some cajones, state officials. Time to challenge, or simply ignore federal dictates.

Biden has now issued 40 of Obama's EO's. 10, 20, 30 more EO's than Clinton, Bush, Obama, and even 36 more than Trump.

ENOUGH DAMN IT !

1 posted on 02/02/2021 7:51:39 AM PST by chiller
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To: chiller

It won’t have to get to that.

Read about PEADS. Trump card. Nothing Biden can do about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/opinion/trump-coronavirus-emergency-powers.html


2 posted on 02/02/2021 7:58:11 AM PST by View from the Cheap Seats
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To: chiller

Our governors, sheriffs, and juries need to take this to heart.

Nullification is our right and our responsibility.

Note: The next patriotic president needs to pardon everyone charged/convicted of nonviolent federal gun “crimes”. Let’s draw the teeth of BATFE even if we can’t defund them with an anti-American Congress full of insiders.


3 posted on 02/02/2021 7:58:18 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pollster1

Deo Vindice !


4 posted on 02/02/2021 7:59:32 AM PST by BrexitBen
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To: chiller

Love to see the fly over states ignore Biden’s executive order cancelling the Keystone.


5 posted on 02/02/2021 7:59:42 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: chiller

Well, it’s not as if nullification is not something that has been attempted before. We’ve tried it, failed, and learned the lesson that it’s not a winning strategy worth investing our energies in.


6 posted on 02/02/2021 8:13:02 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: chiller

That’s probably the reason for Soros, et al targeting sheriffs next..


7 posted on 02/02/2021 8:17:17 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: chiller

Nullification is a great idea. But my research indicates no court has ever agreed.

Apparently nullification is not mentioned in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

I guess what we need is a test case backed by the best constitutional experts.


8 posted on 02/02/2021 8:19:44 AM PST by upchuck (The face mask is the American version of the burka. h/t CC&E)
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We've tolerated nullification for 20+ years.

What do you call sanctuary (from Federal immigration laws) states, counties & cities but nullification !

Apparently there's nullification the unconstitutional kind and then there's NULLIFICATION THE PROGRSSIVE KIND !

I say nullify like they did and force a federal vs state, county or local confrontation.

9 posted on 02/02/2021 8:31:01 AM PST by Reily
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To: upchuck

“I guess what we need is a test case backed by the best constitutional experts.”

One of our big problems is the courts (i.e. “constitutional experts”) have interpreted the Constitution to have meaning it doesn’t have. Read Amendment #10. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

Nowhere in the Constitution is the power to declare laws of Congress, or the state legislatures, unconstitutional. Nowhere in the Constitution is the power to stop a presidential order given to individual federal judges. No where in the Constitution does the federal government have the power to determine marriage laws or require states to allow abortion. No where in the Constitution does a federal judge have the power to mandate state legislatures spend money or stop spending money for a purpose.

These powers have been seized by the judiciary by decree. No court is going to agree to give up powers the judiciary has seized. However, a legislature, a governor, or a president can certainly refuse to obey decrees from federal judges who have exceeded their Constitutional authority if they are prepared to hold fast. The only way to beat tyranny is to stand up to it.


10 posted on 02/02/2021 8:35:13 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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I don’t know, multiple blue states and cities have ignored and nullified federal immigration laws and others with no consequences. Sanctuary states and laws have set precedent in many areas. If you have a red state that refuse to enforce and actively opposes federal enforcement of federal gun laws you have an interesting situation.

What if FTroop shows up in Tennessee and plans their raids on citizens who have ignored new registration or confiscation laws and the state and local authorities actively tell citizens who the feds are and where they are and follows them about announcing their movements and intentions? What if these same law enforcement agencies protect the citizens? No cooperation and active resistance to the feds illegal activities?


11 posted on 02/02/2021 8:43:54 AM PST by sarge83
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To: upchuck; All

Author Duke encourages the 30 R states to take it on with strength in numbers.

Let the lawsuits fly, and fight ‘em out for years, all while the Pipeline is completed and running, for one example.

30 states asserting rights would not be ignored by the SC. It would create massive publicity and shine light on the idiocy, and illegitimacy of EOs.


12 posted on 02/02/2021 9:02:50 AM PST by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'm going ahead.)
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To: View from the Cheap Seats

“Nothing Biden can do about it.”

That is ONLY true for ppl who ADHERE to the Constitution and our laws!


13 posted on 02/02/2021 9:27:05 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: SgtHooper

Trump has people who DO adhere to the Constitution carrying out their duties. Trump was golfing and some guy yelled at him “Thank you, Mr. President, for your service.”

Trump said as he walked by, “We’re not finished yet.” I believe him.


14 posted on 02/02/2021 9:34:00 AM PST by View from the Cheap Seats
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Amen! Nullification of unlawful _laws_.


15 posted on 02/02/2021 9:34:17 AM PST by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam; USgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: chiller
All this is a wonderful idea, but we all know there are degrees of "nullification". Some governors might go along while others won't cooperate. Eventually you will end up with some sort of hodge podge of cooperation. Immigration, for example, is absolutely a function of the Feds. All the POTUS would have to do is send troops to the states that won't cooperate. I often wondered why Trump failed to send troops to "sanctuaries" to enforce the Federal laws. If a mayor wanted to protect criminals, they could have been arrested and needed information could have been confiscated. To tell ICE they couldn't have the lists of illegals with Drivers Licensees was crazy to me. The Feds should have the right of all state stuff they needed to enforce Federal Law.

I do agree with the thought of a court deciding a case and telling them OK, now enforce your ruling. I remember the courts deciding integration law back in the 60's and raising a states taxes to pay for it. How do they have the authority to tell a school district they need 100 more buses and fuel to carry out what a judge decided? The states just folded and raised taxes even though taxing belongs to the legislatures. I often wondered what it would have looked like to say OK on forced busing, and use the existing buses and fuel and drivers to get it done. Some children would have gotten home at 11pm at night to get back up at 3am to go back. The complainers would get very loud very quick. Let the courts figure out how to make it work.

I think gun control will be this straw that breaks the camel's back in the south. I just don't see any law enforcement knocking on doors to take guns. They would find very quickly that lead would be answering the doors. Is it legal to have soldiers with tanks knocking on doors? I don't think that would last very long. We have many mayors, police chiefs, and sheriffs that have publicly said they won't participate. Every local race I know of in the last 30 years has always had the question answered about enforcing gun confiscation locally. The local sheriff would have to tell if he would even let the Feds in let alone let them operate in the county for gun confiscation. Course we all know the local police where I live. A larger town, I don't know. In my county, there is a loose connection of cooperation between the local police and the militia. There was NOT going to be looting and burning in my county last summer.

16 posted on 02/02/2021 9:36:12 AM PST by chuckles
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“I don’t know, multiple blue states and cities have ignored and nullified federal immigration laws and others with no consequences.”

Yes, when there were people in charge of the federal government with no inclination to bring the full power of the federal government to bear to negate nullification (aka Republicans). When the other side is in charge, that isn’t an issue.

“What if FTroop shows up in Tennessee and plans their raids on citizens who have ignored new registration or confiscation laws and the state and local authorities actively tell citizens who the feds are and where they are and follows them about announcing their movements and intentions?”

I doubt that would be the first, or even second or third recourse. Why would the feds need to send troops in when they can just coerce the states to do the job for them, as is their usual modus operandi? They also have private corporations to enforce the federal government’s mandates as well now. How many people will continue to resist gun confiscation if they can’t have a bank account or credit card until as long as they resist? Sure some will, but I think it won’t be 150 million.


17 posted on 02/02/2021 9:47:33 AM PST by Boogieman
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When you take away peoples money and ability to feed their families you corner people and you actually make things far more dangerous for the state. People who have been unjustly attacked and lives destroyed have nothing to lose by crossing the Rubicon.

If you get 1-2 million who resist you have a major problem. Study history, look at Northern Ireland alone and how few a number of people kept Britain tied down in resources. We have been tied down in Afghanistan for two decades by 7th century goat humpers.

How many thousands of gun owning combat vets all over the country, who are trained in the tactics that would be used against them. I hope these damned fools in Washington really think this over and don’t push the people. Lord I hope it doesn’t come to that. When you arbitrarily turn a hundred million people into domestic terrorist who up to this point maybe have had a speeding ticket you are opening up Pandora’s Box who knows what will come out of that box, no one thus the grave danger.


18 posted on 02/02/2021 10:36:59 AM PST by sarge83
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“People who have been unjustly attacked and lives destroyed have nothing to lose by crossing the Rubicon.”

Sure, but the state doesn’t have to destroy everyones’ lives, all they have to do is threaten it, and maybe do it to just a few people to make an example, and the majority will fall in line because they still do have a lot to lose. That’s how coercion works.

“Study history, look at Northern Ireland alone and how few a number of people kept Britain tied down in resources.”

Well, you can look at any insurgency anywhere, and one thing that all of them which had any success had in common is that no matter how few in number the fighters were, they had the support of a majority of the population to help them, and to give them refuge. Without that, they fail. I think that’s in page one of the Army Special Operations manual, isn’t it? So it all boils down to whether you get a large enough number of people willing to risk the wrath of unfettered government in order to help those who want to resist. Otherwise, it ends with a fizzle, not with a bang.


19 posted on 02/02/2021 10:48:28 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: BrexitBen

I wonder how many people today are educated enough to even recognize that one.


20 posted on 02/02/2021 1:07:14 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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