Posted on 01/29/2021 6:57:50 PM PST by ebb tide
Start thinking for yourselves people and DO NOT GET THIS SHOT. Up your vitamin D intake to 2,000 to 5,000 IU’s a day, Take Quercetin, Vitamin C, Zinc and Colloidal Silver and STAY AWAY FROM vaccines and pharmaceuticals
THEY KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God gave you an immune system for a reason.....TAKE CARE OF IT!!
You said, “Absolutely I have administered both HCQ and ivermectin.“
So you must believe they are safe to use. My question is, then why has it become illegal for Doctors in many states to use them? When I asked my Doctor, he told me he would loose his license if he prescribed them.
Obviously there has to be a very compelling reason for the prohibition of the use of these “safe” drugs. What is the reason, other than the fact that they would detrimentally interfere with big pharma’s game. The very fact that the government would do this makes me distrust anything they say, including their insistence that the Covid vaccine is safe and effective. I am generally NOT anti vac. I weigh the risks and decide yes or no, and most of the time I say yes and take it. This time, the trust is just not there.
PING
While I believe they are safe, I also find HCQ ineffective, and ivermerctin to be marginally effective. I could also give someone with CoVID any number of medications that I know are safe, but would be ineffective so that is my point.
It is one bridge too far to extrapolate that there is a grand conspiracy theory around big Pharma and the government. What I think people are failing to understand is that HCQ and Ivermectin, if they work at all, dont work that well. That is just the plain facts. So when it was the best we had, I absolutely used them.
I will also tell you that in my opinion the expensive drug remdesivir is at best marginally effective.
I think we have to look at the medicine and treatment and base our judgments on the facts. Here is the best chance of survival:
If you test (+) for the disease and / or:
—Are over 65 or
—Have at least one known comorbidity
1. Start decadron 6 mg a day for 5 days and reevaluate after 5 days
2. If mild or moderate disease from onset of symptoms - day 7 WITHOUT DELAY find a place to get Bamlanivimab (monoclonal antibodies — think like regeneron which president trump received)
3. I agree with vitamin D 10,000 units a day and Zinc 220 mg a day
Once this progresses to late phase disease, the chances of survival plummet and there is little that we can do. Those who do survive end up with long haul symptoms, which takes 9 - 12 months to get through, but that is if you survive. The true mortality approaches 40% once there is an onset of ARDS.
Of course, in my opinion all of this can be avoided with the vaccine, but I know people have strong feelings. I just wish it were evaluated on fact, not feeling. But there is little I can do about that, as you point out, the government has sown seeds of distrust, in my opinion by incompetence, not by design.
Be well. I think either way, a pandemic has a natural life cycle of 18 - 24 months, so I believe this will be well past by end of year, if not sooner.
Remember in out oath, we believe that prevention is superior to cure. This is why vaccination is a critical element in control of the disease. If you never get to he point of needing cure, then we have, by definition, ended the pandemic.
I am sorry, but you are just wrong in your entirety. It is not a genetic alteration. This is absolutely untrue. CoVID 19 has been isolated, sequenced, and demonstrated to cause SARS - COVID -2 in human beings.
You are promoting demonstrable lies, and cannot be taken seriously. Unfortunately, the depravity of the lies you tell point to the fact that you will not accept any sort of truth, and therefore become unable to have reasonable conversation.
You find yourself on the fringe, and entirely non-credible with statements such as these.
I will pray that you are able to achieve discernment and some modicum of knowledge.
I disagree with your premise.
I am comfortable saying that to the very standards that we use with every other drug, therapeutic and vaccine, that this vaccine is safe and effective.
Marck dropped out for business reasons and bad science. Millions of people have decided for themselves to have this vaccine. You would take away their right to make this judgment for themselves? How is that not against everything you purportedly stand for.
Your opinions an positions are well known. That is fine. But as stated above, this is NOT and experimental drug, I am sorry we showed American gut and ingenuity solving this crises, apparently something you do not like. Why do you take it personally when millions of people are entirely happy to get vaccinated. Would you, as I asked, deny them of their choice based on your opinion?
Colloidal silve in a zillion trials is completely discredited. You are offering information that will lead to the death of people. That is very sad.
I think it’s great when people have the voluntary choice to take any drug they want.
What I fear is a shift to mandatory Covid vaccines for plane travel, etc.
You did not answer my question. The disease has roughly a 98% survival rate. Will you promise with at least 98% certainty that there will NOT be long-term problems, infertility, birth defects, etc?
Three of my sisters were infertile due to my mother taking DES, and I’m old enough to remember seeing Thalidomide babies. Both DES and Thalidomide were approved drugs. The consequences were not known for years after they were taken.
So tell us how you KNOW there will not be long-term consequences?
What for? Did she rob a gas station, or get caught dealing meth like Heisenberg, or what?
I answered your question. Just not how you like. I reject your premise. This vaccine is not experimental and using the same criteria of every other therapeutic in the United States it is safe and effective. You point to DES and a couple instances where things went wrong. What about the millions of examples where things went right.
Of course when it goes wrong it is tragic. DES is an entirely different story for a lot of reasons. But for every single bad thing there are thousands of good things. I appreciate your rhetorical attempt to corner me on emotion. But that’s all that it is. An emotional argument.
You operate from a place of fear. You are afraid that it will be mandatory. There is no evidence that this will occur. You are afraid of the in a zillion complication. It’s your world view.
It’s not one I choose to share. The vaccine is safe and effective. It has gone through the standard course of testing. We can play what id forever. But at some point we have to believe what we see. Not what might be.
Can you promise in five years that a meteor won’t hit the earth a d wipe our all life? It’s the same class of question you are asking me.
Please understand the difference between not answering the question and not giving you the answer you want.
Let’s compare notes in a couple years.
Placemarker
“You are afraid that it will be mandatory. There is no evidence that this will occur.”
Actually, there is evidence as gaslighting by the liberals continues. They ALWAYS telegraph their intentions through gaslighting and they have been. They continuously mention ‘passports” to travel. They mention thing like how dangerous they think it is not not to get the vaccine. They question how employers can possibly have people without the vaccination at work. On, and on.
And yet there is no mandate. There is no proposed legislation. So we really are going to shoot down a vaccine because you think people are telegraphing something?
I think that’s putting the cart a little in front of the horse. I we react beucase we are afraid of what might be, we will never adequately address what actually is.
“And yet there is no mandate. “
You say that like there never will be. Just because there isn’t today doesn’t wean there won’t be soon. I know you are not dumb enough to make that corollary.
No one said to shoot down a vaccine. That’s just your claim that people who are weary of mandates are also weary of the vaccine. Travis is weary of the vaccine because he has family that were adversely affected by previous government statements that vaccines were safe and they were not. Weary of it is not the same as wanting to ban it.
I am not convinced that COVID-19 has such a massive need for a vaccine. Some people are definitely effected by COVID-19, but 99.99% are not.
This is all about political control and not medicine. A test of wills and not a need of medicine.
With all due respect, you did say that you mostly treat people in late stages in ICU. We do know that HCQ and Ivermectin is not effective when someone reaches that state. Are you convinced that it does not work for early stages?
Thank you for listing your protocol for late stage. I made a note of it just in case.
And lastly, concerning my decision to not take the vaccination just yet..... though I am 74, I have no comorbidities that I know of. I take a full range of vitamins and have increased D3, C, AND ZINC (as I usually do anyway in the winter), I have not had the flu since My kids were little, and I never get a flu shot... though I did take a pneumonia shot as I thought the odds were good for it to be helpful. But I do have severe allergies (molds, pollen) and a bunch of auto-immune issues. So I am leery of what the Covid shot will do to me.
Listening to these health providers is like hearing static. It’s all over the map and really only opinion.
The real problem is due to politics hype and hysteria we have never dealt with what is with this pandemic. we are always dealing with the fear mongers, the deniers and those with political points to make. The virus is real. it causes real death and disability and if a vaccine can ameliorate that i’m all for it on a voluntary basis. Masks and lockdowns don’t work and are counter productive. the vaccine does not genetically alter you and has gone through normal clinical trials. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and a large step back. What we really need to do is open up the country and let individuals make their own choices about isolating, masks, vaccines and the like. I hope someday the emotion and politics die down enough we can do just that. Meanwhile I will continue to care for those affected by this disease to the best of my ability
So what? No treatment is ever 100% effective, but I’ll take the Moderna vaccine 94% over 0% any day, but you hold out and go for the zero because some nitwit published an article saying the vaccine was unsafe.
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