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Rand Paul says John Roberts's absence 'crystalized' argument against Trump impeachment
The Hill ^ | Jan 28 | GREG NASH

Posted on 01/29/2021 4:58:28 AM PST by RandFan

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Thursday said hearing that Chief Justice John Roberts would not preside over former President Trump's upcoming impeachment trial "crystalized" the GOP argument that the proceedings are unconstitutional.

Paul emerged as a hero for Trump supporters this week after he used a little-known procedural tactic, a privileged constitutional point of order, to strike a severe blow to Democrats' hopes of convicting the former president on a House-passed article of impeachment.

Forty-five GOP senators voted this week to support Paul's motion that said Trump's impeachment trial of Trump is unconstitutional since he's no longer in office.

"We've long been aware that a constitutional motion is a privileged motion and that it could happen. We discussed it within our office," Paul told The Hill in an interview Thursday. "What really crystalized it for me is that about a week ago we were on a Republican conference call and they said the chief justice wasn't coming."

"Myself and others were like, 'Oh my goodness, the chief justice is not coming. That's a huge, huge signal that there's something wrong with this proceeding,'" Paul said, recounting a Senate GOP conference call on Jan. 21, the day after Trump left office.

Paul said the news that Senate President Pro Tempore Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) would preside over the second impeachment trial struck many Republicans as deeply unfair. Leahy voted to convict Trump on two articles of impeachment last year.

"The optics of the chief justice not coming and then also the optics of a person who had favored the last impeachment now presiding over the trial - who's also going to vote in the trial - it just didn't look right or sound right to any of us," he added.

Paul described how he then put together a motion to declare the trial unconstitutional. He offered the motion as a privileged point of order on Tuesday.

The move caught GOP colleagues by surprise.

"I didn't know we could do it," Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said of Paul's motion. "I was surprised he could even raise the point of order. I'm glad he did."

"When I found out that was in the works, I supported it," Johnson added. "I always thought this was unconstitutional."

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said she was asking her legislative director (LD) the day of the vote about the obscure procedural tactic.

"Constitutional point of order. I was asking my L.D. coming over here. Constitutional? We talk about budget points of order all the time, when was the last time we did a constitutional point of order?" she told reporters after the vote.

Murkowski said the vote illustrated the immense power the Senate rules give to individual senators.

"Around here, the power of one senator we see demonstrated every day," she said.

A former Senate Republican aide who is known for his procedural expertise as an early master of the so-called "clay pigeon" amendment process applauded Paul's move.

"I was very impressed by it. Props to Rand Paul. He basically ended the impeachment proceedings before they even got started. (A) I was impressed that he did, I thought it was a great maneuver, and (B) I was surprised at how the vote was," the strategist said.

Paul said he kept his plan secret up until the day of the vote. He only let the Senate cloakroom know about the point of order on Monday.

"We told the cloakroom staff the day before," he said, adding the floor staff probably alerted Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) of the tactic immediately afterward.

Paul said he was informed by the legal analysis of Alan Dershowitz, an emeritus Harvard law professor and constitutional expert who has argued that the penalty for an impeachment conviction - removal from office and disqualification from future office - would not apply to Trump since he is no longer in office.

"His point is that it doesn't say 'remove from office or disqualify,' it says 'remove and disqualify.' That doesn't really work if you've already left office," Paul said.

Paul's point of order stated that Trump "holds none of the positions listed in the Constitution" and is "a private citizen."

It also emphasized Leahy's role in presiding over the trial.

"His presence, and the chief justice's absence, demonstrates that this is not a trial of the president but of a private citizen," the motion states.

Several legal analysts have pointed to precedent for impeaching a former public official, just not a president.

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) acknowledged in an interview with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow this week that Roberts didn't want to preside over the trial of an ex-president.

"He doesn't want to do it," the Democratic leader told Maddow.

After 45 Republicans voted against tabling Paul's motion on Tuesday, many senators predicted Trump's trial will end in acquittal, especially since only five GOP senators joined with Democrats, falling far short of the 17 needed to reach the conviction threshold of 67.

"I think it's pretty obvious from the vote today that it is extraordinarily unlikely that the president will be convicted," Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said after the vote.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ky; randpaul

1 posted on 01/29/2021 4:58:28 AM PST by RandFan
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To: RandFan

How soon will it be that Roberts will be found dead in bed with a pillow over his face?


2 posted on 01/29/2021 5:00:50 AM PST by HighSierra5
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To: HighSierra5

“How soon will it be that Roberts will be found dead in bed with a pillow over his face?”

It is a fake move. How long will it be before Roberts change his mind?


3 posted on 01/29/2021 5:05:40 AM PST by DEPcom (Impeach Illegitimate Biden/Harris )
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To: HighSierra5

I don’t think anybody will blame Roberts for this. Besides a handful of cases like Heller, Roberts has a very good record of voting with the liberal wing.

W’s biggest embarrassment ... and that is saying something since he had so many.


4 posted on 01/29/2021 5:14:05 AM PST by beancounter13
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To: DEPcom

50/50


5 posted on 01/29/2021 5:15:00 AM PST by HighSierra5
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To: RandFan

This has got to chafe Roberts right now. Has Jeb Bush weighed in?


6 posted on 01/29/2021 5:18:07 AM PST by RummyChick (To President Trump: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3923111/posts)
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To: RandFan

^


7 posted on 01/29/2021 5:18:50 AM PST by PGalt (confirmed: past peak civilization)
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To: RandFan

I liked how the “reporter” added a section trying to provide cover for Murkowski.


8 posted on 01/29/2021 5:52:37 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: RandFan
The move caught GOP colleagues by surprise.

How much would the vote have changed if the Republicans had time to prepare? Or would they have had time to prevent the vote altogether?

9 posted on 01/29/2021 6:16:24 AM PST by KarlInOhio (The greatest threat to world freedom is the Chinese Communist Party and Joe Biden is their puppet.)
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To: HighSierra5
How soon will it be that Roberts will be found dead in bed with a pillow over his face?

The left will just blame this guy...


10 posted on 01/29/2021 6:21:39 AM PST by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: beancounter13

I still say that Roberts is being blackmailed.

Don’t know why or who, but he is under duress.


11 posted on 01/29/2021 7:44:07 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: RandFan

Roberts should go public as to why he is not presiding.

The constitution requires the Chief Justice to preside on an impeachment of the President.

For Roberts not to preside is a dereliction of duty. Unless of course, Roberts views it as unconstitutional, in which case, Roberts should tell all of us, that it is unconstitutional.


12 posted on 01/29/2021 8:43:41 AM PST by DannyTN
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