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It is the leftists who are the fascist. Not the other way around, and that is factual
1 posted on 01/14/2021 9:00:10 AM PST by Kaslin
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2 posted on 01/14/2021 9:07:23 AM PST by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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” It has three primary characteristics: extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and a state-run economy.”

The left meets all 3 criteria, if you allow that adherence to leftism is their substitute for nationalism.


3 posted on 01/14/2021 9:09:37 AM PST by brownsfan (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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“God does not exist. Religion in science is an absurdity, in practice an immorality and in men a disease.” — Mussolini, 1924

“Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does ‘social justice’ mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes; it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labor.” — Mussolini, 1935

“When the war is over, in the world’s social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth’s riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances.” — Mussolini, 1941
Now does that sound like communism, or what? Everything from denying God’s existence to social justice to wealth redistribution. Yes, that is fascism.
4 posted on 01/14/2021 9:10:42 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Big business is onboard because they get to keep making money. Schindler was able to become rich under Nazi rule.


5 posted on 01/14/2021 9:10:51 AM PST by joshua c (Jan 20th is Dump Day. Dump them all. Twitter, Facebook, Google, Amazon, cable tv etc)
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Communism, socialism, fascism. Which is it?

It doesnt matter. Either way we are screwed.


8 posted on 01/14/2021 9:13:48 AM PST by joshua c (Jan 20th is Dump Day. Dump them all. Twitter, Facebook, Google, Amazon, cable tv etc)
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To them “Fascist” means racist, because of the Nazis.

But the Nazis weren’t “Fascist”, that was Mussolini, and had it not been for the pressure Hitler exerted on Mussolini, his Fascist regime was not racist. Plenty of Jews worked for Mussolini’s government, and there was little racial discrimination.

All Fascism is, is the notion that The State is supreme in all matters, and that business only exists to the extent that is serves The State.


9 posted on 01/14/2021 9:13:54 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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What an excellent article!


12 posted on 01/14/2021 9:20:40 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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13 posted on 01/14/2021 9:21:43 AM PST by Nick Danger
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‘...the left continues to insist that Donald Trump is a fascist—because they see him as both nationalistic and authoritarian. But Trump is not an extreme nationalist, as his dealings with other nations—including “win-win” trade agreements with Canada, Mexico, Japan, and others as well as his efforts to promote Middle East peace—have made clear...”

All true. Also-Fascism as practiced in Europe (especially after WWI) had a definitely anti Semitic spin. That version was everywhere in Europe and most dramatically in Germany. If they can't remember (or if they never knew) Liberals ought to know that much at least. Trump has worked hard, albeit completely alone, to establish peace, a stable economy, employment for all who want it, opportunities for all Americans across the board....In fact, global peace, economic stability and wholesale advancement for US minorities have been HANDED to the US by President Trump (almost totatlly gratis) and as thanks, Liberals spit in his face. No Fascist EVER worked so hard and achieved so much for ALL citizens to improve life, opportunities and security for all. All this was done at the expense to no one in the country. Absolutely NO ONE suffered to secure these benefits for fellow citizens at the expense of his/her neighbor. No Fascist tyrant was could have ever made that claim. Liberals are a perfect example of the way the US educational 'system' has failed

14 posted on 01/14/2021 9:27:07 AM PST by SMARTY (“If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.” Winston Churchill)
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Are there any examples of libertarianism defeating a communist takeover of a country from within? I mean outside of fictional novels.

It usually takes a Franco or a Pinochet to reverse the commies. Reducing everything to an economic question plays right into their hands. Fascism is nearly always a “reactionary” movement that rises up as organized resistance to communism. Of course, the Current Year Left isn’t really even Marxist anymore in the traditional sense. Marx would have deplored all of the sexual perversion they push these days as bourgeoisie decadence, though he would have lacked any moral basis from which to do so.

Calling Leftists the “real fascists” doesn’t even phase them. At that point the serious ideologues among them know that you are distracted with word games. Meanwhile, now homosexuals can adopt children/victims!! Hooray!!

So, is Trump a fascist? Who cares? He’s nationalistic, relative to the Current Year. He certainly wanted to wield power to further his goals: that makes him “authoritarian” to the critics from several corners. He was less libertarian than the mainstream of the GOP on economics, though certainly not a fan of a “planned economy.” Meanwhile, on social issues ...


15 posted on 01/14/2021 9:30:56 AM PST by cdcdawg (Turn off Fox News! You can do it!)
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It’s good to know the real meaning of the word, but the way it is used now, it means whoever doesn’t agree with an ignorant boneheaded leftist punk.


16 posted on 01/14/2021 9:31:19 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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The leftist weapon of choice, always accuse your opponent of that which YOU are actually doing.

That works especially well...once you have basically created a monopoly on media/academia...which they have.

With that, why cannot conservatives create their OWN large social media/other platforms?

Why must we rely on theirs?

Is it a lack of(techie)intelligence? initiative? financing? other?

How can you win an information war with weapons sold to you by your enemy...then be shocked when those weapons don't work?

Bottom-line:

1. If you're looking for someone else to win your battles, you're going to lose.

2. If you're looking for "fairness" in today's world, you've already lost.

17 posted on 01/14/2021 9:32:10 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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18 posted on 01/14/2021 9:32:58 AM PST by sauropod ("No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain)
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We are seeing corporatism as the new fascism.

The state doesnt control the media: The media controls the state because the media controls reality

Big Tech, Big Finance, and Big Business are the doms here. Democrats think they are in control, but without media, they are helpless. They are the submissives in this perverted partnership....some havent figured that out yet

After all, look whose technology manipulation made this (s) election work and now is trying to criminalize any questioning of it, build a “ new reality’ that Biden won and anyone questioning it should be purged. And that Trump by refusing to surrender is guilty of “inciting insurrection” and must be punished and druven out of holding public office.

From “ 1984’ by Orwell with comment by Mark Steyn, where Winston Smith ......reflects on an aspect of his job - which is to rewrite the past to eliminate aspects that are inconvenient to the Party)

If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say of this or that event, IT NEVER HAPPENED--that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death?

The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed--if all records told the same tale--then the lie passed into history and became truth.

'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it

https://www.steynonline.com/10937/reality-control

19 posted on 01/14/2021 9:33:07 AM PST by silverleaf (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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In the US they were both called “progressives”. The Nationalist progressives were led by Teddy Roosevelt. The Internationalist progressives, by Woodrow Wilson.

Importantly, the majority of Republicans back there were conservatives, who didn’t want either ‘flavor’ of progressivism. TR was so obstinate, however, his faction broke off and formed their own third party, which gave the leftists the presidency.

In Europe, the schism between nationalists and internationalists was happening before WWI, but after the war, the nationalists went with the fascists and the internationalists went with the communists. The conservatives were again caught in the middle, not caring for either ‘flavor’.

It should also be noted that the two ‘flavors’ watched and copied each other. Hitler created the Jugend, a youth training organization, to raise a next generation of ideologically pure fascist leaders. Just five years later, the socialists and communists in Norway joined their youth groups to found the Workers’ Youth League (AUF), with the same idea, to create a next generation of socialist-communist leaders.


21 posted on 01/14/2021 9:35:27 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All men and women were created by the, you know, you know, the thing." -- Joe Biden 3/3/20)
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Not exactly the first time that has been pointed out here on FR, but it's a nice, clear formulation of the point. Mussolini was, after all, not only a socialist to begin with but the editor of the largest socialist newspaper in Italy. He was also the guy who imprisoned Antonio Gramsci, so there were limits even to that.

In the turbid little world of academic Marxian theory one can only be a true communist, i.e. an internationalist, by not only eschewing love of one's country, but by actively hating it: that demonstrates the transcendent quality of an enlightened thinker. In practice that has never been successful for Communist leaders of actual existing nations, an instance of practice trumping theory in a less than ideal world. One would think they'd have gotten the message by now.

By selecting individual already-successful corporate structures and incorporating them into government fascism makes the claim that it is more efficient than free-market capitalism, but in fact the reverse is true. Bernie Sanders' petulant grumbling that one does not need 23 varieties of deodorant is a case in point - one does if the best of them is determined by the customer's choice. Forcing anything else is inherently inefficient. And that is precisely what we are seeing presently when Parler decided to compete and the "official" PTB in the IT industry conspired - there is no better word - to prevent it. "Let the free market decide" has no place in this shackled little world and efficiency has nothing to do with it. The price of corporate cooperation with the government is the enforcement of monopoly.

What is lost in all of that is individual freedom, ironic because "self-actualization" is supposedly the object of communism according to Marx and in practice the resulting authoritarian society must ruthlessly repress it. It is there that communism and fascism are most similar.

I'll take freedom, thanks.

29 posted on 01/14/2021 10:07:41 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Simple... we should now just refer to the Left as Global Facists. Now they meet all three parts of the definition.


32 posted on 01/14/2021 12:56:53 PM PST by rivercat
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