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The right needs to remember that this is bigger than Trump: A fractious conservative movement needs to remember that what’s happening now isn’t all about the President
American Thinker ^ | 01/11/2021 | Matt Rowe

Posted on 01/11/2021 6:33:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Too many people are conflating “Trumpers” with the entire right or with conservatives and even with Republicans as if they were all the same thing. It’s one thing when the Left does this, but we need to be clear that the “right” is a mixture of groups with similar beliefs, but with distinct differences that must be understood. What matters is that we on the right all face a herculean struggle between capitalism and socialism, and between strict construction of the Constitution and judicial activism, and a host of other threats to the Republic.

In the lead-up to the 2016 election, there were a lot “Never Trumpers.” Most of them came to realize that the choice in 2016 was really between corruption and socialism, on the one hand, or capitalism and the rule of law, on the other. It was a case of electing the same old self-entitled establishment vassal, or someone who, as far as they knew, was from well outside the beltway. They didn’t like it, but they voted for Trump.

By the 2020 election, after seeing everything the left had done to try and destroy President Trump, and seeing what he accomplished despite that, they came to respect his accomplishments, though not necessarily his behavior. They were “Reluctant Trumpers” if you will.

The true “Trumpers” saw Trump as the only man to stand up to the system. He was an outsider like them and gave them a political voice they hadn’t had in a long time. He said things the way they would like to say them, even if some of those things were ridiculous and immature. His comments and Tweets conveyed the sense of frustration people felt or, at least, were a good jab at someone they didn’t agree with,

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; electionfraud; trump
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1 posted on 01/11/2021 6:33:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The newly emboldened Democrats, the socialist left, and their media supporters are attempting to convince the world that all of these groups are really one big fanatical cult that worships their evil lord Donald Trump. They want you to believe, as they do, that some 80 million Americans ( It used to be 74 million, but now this number keeps being thrown about) are even worse than “deplorables,” which is pretty bad all by itself. Among other things, “deplorable” means “worthy of severe condemnation or reproach, and wretched.”

It is critical to understand that it has very little to do with Trump the man. Rather, we must remember that the struggle is against political and corporate corruption, socialism, judicial activism, and the identity politics the Left uses to subvert our government to their own ends. And never forget our vital need to ensure that the election process is transparent and true!


2 posted on 01/11/2021 6:34:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
So if I loudly declare my support for Rubio, it won’t all go away? /s
3 posted on 01/11/2021 6:36:35 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know if the President ever really said this or not but it’s true nonetheless....”They’re after you.I’m just in the way”. In fact,I’ve just adopted that as my tagline.


4 posted on 01/11/2021 6:36:58 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Trump: "They're After You. I'm Just In The Way")
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To: All
INEXPLICABLE LEFTY THINKING: Madonna threatened to blow up the White House………
so sap-happy Democrats Classify peaceable MAGA Rallies of tax-paying Americans As "Domestic Terrorist Activity."

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Things are getting ugly really fast......as the left veers it’s (gag) tolerant and compassionate gaze from the world’s misfits....onto working class Americans.
The Left w/ power is a satanic monster, creating its own reality. Yes, they have taken power.....for a while......but it wont last forever.

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Bad News for Progressive Lefties: It's Still a Conservative Country
Townhall.com ^ | December 1, 2020 | Stephen Moore / FR Posted by Kaslin

EXCERPT No one expected it, least of all the media and pollsters. But that promised 2020 big blue wave of Democratic victories across the country turned into a red tidal wave from coast to coast.

Most progressive ballot issues in the states -- from tax increases to racial preferences -- also came crashing down.

A big reason for this turnaround in the election was the massive turnout for President Donald Trump on Election Day. Trump's coattails pulled hundreds of Republicans over the goal line------

So, how deep were the losses for the Democrats? In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi thought her troops would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, they lost, at last count, nine.

But the real carnage was in the state houses. Hold on to your hats; here is the latest from our allies at the American Legislative Exchange Council. The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers. As a result of these big and improbable wins, Republicans now have majority control in both House and Senate chambers in 31 of 50 states. Democrats have control in only 18 states. That's a map of the USA that looks awfully red throughout middle America, with only the rusting Northeast and the West Coast colored blue.

What is truly stunning about this story is that Democrats and liberal/progressive donors (Michael Bloomberg, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, et al.) poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the states to take over legislatures with unprecedented spending in Florida, Texas and Pennsylvania. The American Legislative Exchange Council president, Lisa Nelson, estimates that Democrats outspent Republicans "at least 3-to-1 in the states." And all they got was a lousy T-shirt.

Money just doesn't buy you love with voters.

Speaking of money, voters don't want politicians taking more of it from them. In Illinois, Colorado and California, major tax hikes lost, and tax cuts were approved by voters. Racial preferences, rent control and pro-union measures went down in flames in California -- the cradle of progressive wacko ideas.

Even Democrats admit that their party's embrace of socialism was a major turnoff to voters. Rep. Abigail Spanberger from Virginia won her race, but she isn't a happy camper. "We need to not ever use the words 'socialist' or 'socialism' ever again," she says. Democrats, she angrily continued, "lost good members because of that."

If the Democrats govern as the party of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, they can expect even deeper losses in 2022. They may even suffer their ultimate nightmare, a return to the White House by Trump in 2024.

Trumpism and putting America first are still alive and well.

5 posted on 01/11/2021 6:41:44 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the oth er side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: SeekAndFind

This was something I figured out when the voter fraud was so obvious. The big picture is not Trump, it’s the trashing of the Constitution, the nullifying of future elections and now is turning out to be the clamping down of free speech.

This all means the free republic of America we once knew is in the process of being radically transformed into something else.

Many here on FR try to discount this and seem to think the next election is our chance to turn this around. Such thinking is foolish. Recent events are proving the left wants not only totally destroy Trump but wants to criminalize anything conservative.

Such FOOLISH thinking has prevailed since the 60’s and is exactly why we are in today’s mess.

Today’s problems need to be resolved today. If there is no hard push back to end this madness and correct the fraudulent election NOW, we are totally screwed for forever.


6 posted on 01/11/2021 6:46:34 AM PST by redfreedom (Member of Agent Orange Health Club Since 1969)
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To: SeekAndFind
Remember this?
7 posted on 01/11/2021 6:47:55 AM PST by pa_dweller (THIS SPACE LEFT INTENTIONALLY BLANK)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our PDJT is our Champion in The Ring.
He fights for what we believe.

MAGA is the only way to go.
If MAGA wins, every American wins, and lots of the rest of the world benefits. If MAGA is shelved and put aside by the Never-Trumpers, the “Libertarian-cuz-I-can’t-make-up-my-mind” gang, and the Suburban Yentas (that’s the Range Rover driving Karen-type you all know, NOT a religious slur) because it’s too Un-Presidential, America loses.

Roll MAGA, roll!

The war is here.
say her name: “Ashli Babbitt”


8 posted on 01/11/2021 6:50:37 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: pa_dweller

Ha! I had just posted that picture on a liberal site.

http://politicalchat.org/showthread.php?t=13148&page=31


9 posted on 01/11/2021 6:51:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...even if some of those things” (Trump said) “were ridiculous and immature.”

YOU (Matt Row) are ridiculous and immature.

Trump IS the movement A-HOLE!


10 posted on 01/11/2021 6:52:07 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Liz

Educate the masses:

Progressive = Marxist, socialist, communist

“Progressive” is just another of the left’s mealy mouth lies to cover for all their evil deeds.


11 posted on 01/11/2021 6:52:27 AM PST by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

While President Trump is their current public target, the enemy cares much less about him than about seizing power and using our nation’s government and its (our) resources to destroy America. Our individual liberties will be the very first target after President Trump, and we can see this already with their censorship of free speech and their attacks on the church.

Get prepared, this isn’t going to be easy


12 posted on 01/11/2021 6:53:58 AM PST by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s time to form our own party...


13 posted on 01/11/2021 6:54:26 AM PST by GOPJ (Seventy-three million citizens thought the election was rigged - enough to start a new party.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Republic

// In the lead-up to the 2016 election, there were a lot “Never Trumpers.” Most of them came to realize that the choice in 2016 was really between corruption and socialism, on the one hand, or capitalism and the rule of law, on the other. It was a case of electing the same old self-entitled establishment vassal, or someone who, as far as they knew, was from well outside the beltway. They didn’t like it, but they voted for Trump.

By the 2020 election, after seeing everything the left had done to try and destroy President Trump, and seeing what he accomplished despite that, they came to respect his accomplishments, though not necessarily his behavior. They were “Reluctant Trumpers” if you will. !
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This includes those awful RINO reps & senators who stymied Pres Trump’s plans AT EVERY TURN, including obamacare & other conservative concerns that they had run on!

I blame these nasty awful swamp deep state RINOS more than the dems who were, after all, just being true to their nature & stated objectives. At this point, I remember Pres Trump’s retelling story of the fox carrying the snake/ scorpion across the water.

There was NO EXCUSE for them, and now, no quarter. Nope. Don’t include me in your after-the-fact hand wringing & pearl clutching. You lost it all when you did not stand up for those who voted for Pres Trump.


14 posted on 01/11/2021 6:56:08 AM PST by cyn (an appeal to Heaven)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only Civil War that is taking place is the one within the Republican Party. I’m not sure they will ever recover.


15 posted on 01/11/2021 7:00:28 AM PST by JerseyDvl (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: redfreedom

The Republic was over on January 20, 2009 when ALL of our elected and appointed swore in the ineligible Kenyan from Indonesia.

Obama is NOT a natural born citizen.

Words have meaning or the Constitution is an illusion.

Many are finding out now that it is an illusion.

There is no Constitution when no one in power will uphold it.


16 posted on 01/11/2021 7:01:17 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a caller pointed out to Rush last week, Trump is us. Millions upon millions of Americans voted for him in the last two elections not because he convinced us to follow his views, but because his views were ours from the beginning. As Trump goes, so do his supporters.


17 posted on 01/11/2021 7:05:16 AM PST by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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To: Ebenezer
Millions upon millions of Americans voted for him.

Not millions upon million. 74 Million, about 1/2 of the voting public supported Trump.

18 posted on 01/11/2021 7:08:06 AM PST by AndyJackson
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The “pattern” of disenfranchising “just conservatives” and the blatant organized activity from the Left is mindful of organized crime activity.

Time to roll out RICO statute, federal law that provides criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. Beginning in 1972, 33 states adopted state RICO laws to be able to prosecute similar conduct. (NOTE: RICO was used successfully in GA to prosecute teachers).

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The meaning of racketeering is at 18 U.S.C. § 1961. As currently amended, it includes:
<><> acts of bribery, theft, embezzlement, fraud, obstruction of justice, racketeering, money laundering, offenses covered under Title 18 Criminal Code;
<><> Embezzlement of union funds;
<><>Bankruptcy fraud or securities fraud;
<><>Criminal copyright infringement;
<><>Money laundering and related offenses;
<><>Bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain);

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Pattern of racketeering activity requires at least two acts of racketeering activity. The USSC has instructed federal courts to follow the continuity-plus-relationship test WRT an established pattern.

Illegal acts comprising a pattern are called "predicate" offenses. Predicate acts are related if they "have the same or similar purposes, results, participants, victims, or methods of commission, or otherwise interrelated and are not isolated events."

Continuity, referring to either a closed period of conduct, or to past conduct that by its nature projects into the future with a threat of repetition.

19 posted on 01/11/2021 7:10:11 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the oth er side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: SeekAndFind

This has been bigger than Trump for a long time. He was just willing to shine the light to try to expose it.


20 posted on 01/11/2021 7:13:01 AM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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