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To: wastedyears
Except that didn't happen. Go look at what Trump's lawyers actually filed rather than what they say on TV. Several courts have heard the evidence, and where courts haven't considered evidence, it has been because Trump's or the elector-candidates' lawyers have failed, either by choice or through ineptitude, to present it. Most often, the campaign has voluntarily dismissed its fraud claims. In other cases they either filed them in the wrong court. In the case of Georgia, filed it in the right court--the superior court in Fulton County--after waiting too long, and then deprived that court of jurisdiction by filing something in the wrong court--the Georgia Supreme Court.

Challenges to the election of Presidential electors are resolved under state law, usually by filing in state court. I have yet to find a single case where: (1) the proper party (Trump or his campaign or his elector candidates) (2) filed suit in the proper court (state court) (3) challenging the election results based on fraud (4) under the procedure established under state law (5) where the court dismissed the case without hearing evidence.

Every case I've found either: (1) was filed by a party without standing to challenge a state's election results, like a private citizen (like Lin Wood) or another state (like Texas); (2) was filed in a federal court that either lacked jurisdiction or was required to abstain based on long-standing legal doctrines due to pending state court cases, or was filed in a state appellate court that lacked original jurisdiction (this happened in Georgia); (3) made some claim other than fraud, such as the unconstitutionality of a state election procedure; or (4) either the fraud claims (PA federal court case) or the entire case (numerous cases) was voluntarily dismissed by Trump or the electors before a ruling.

Maybe I missed a case and I'm wrong. If so, I'd love for someone to point one out. But if I'm not, then Trump's lawyers and Republican politicians and talking heads need to quit repeating this falsehood because it is doing some real damage. It will be pretty hard to win next time if we keep lying to ourselves about what actually happened.

262 posted on 01/07/2021 9:17:32 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: The Pack Knight
Trump had to fight on too many fronts. I told this to my daughter two months ago. He could win challenging one state, he has chance in two. To try and challenge the fraud in three or more states was a losing proposition. There is evidence of fraud, but for the most part the courts will not get involve unless there were challenges prior to an election. PA should have been the easiest as challenges did occur at SCOTUS prior to the election and at least in Philly there is anecdotal evidence that election officials ignored SCOTUS. But SCOTUS declined because of Roberts. That to me was total bullshit on SCOTUS’s part. There were already concerns at that level over fraudulent ballots prior to the election. Had SCOTUS taken that case and ruled in Trump's favor in a manner that did not automatically change any other state results, yesterday would never have happened. We would have still lost, but at least people would continue to believe that our government is not totally corrupt.

All the other States needed their legislators to step in and decertify the results until an investigation could be conducted. It seems that in some states, they do not meet after the election or they had restrictions that only allowed the Governor to call a special session. If I were a conservative in those States I would get that changed and require the Legislative branches to remain in session after the election until they certify the results. Then have the Governor sign off on the certification. If there is a conflict, the State Legislations and the Executive branch would have to work that out before certifying the election results. Legislative branches should legally remain in session until they vote to certify the results.

Trump's legal team did a poor job because they chased every claim of fraud instead of remaining focused. Gulliani should have been focused on Biden and stayed out of the fraud. Lin Wood and Powell kept telling us about the evidence that I have never seen. There was no focus, but that may have been because they were juggling to many states with limited resources.

269 posted on 01/07/2021 9:46:38 AM PST by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me.)
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