Posted on 01/07/2021 1:00:58 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Your right, we're next...and it's going to be worse than most think.
There's little to no firewall left to prevent what's coming.
The leftist's in politics, media and academia smell blood in the water and they want more.
What Happens When The Democrats Seize Control Of The Federal Government - Updated
Challenges to the election of Presidential electors are resolved under state law, usually by filing in state court. I have yet to find a single case where: (1) the proper party (Trump or his campaign or his elector candidates) (2) filed suit in the proper court (state court) (3) challenging the election results based on fraud (4) under the procedure established under state law (5) where the court dismissed the case without hearing evidence.
Every case I've found either: (1) was filed by a party without standing to challenge a state's election results, like a private citizen (like Lin Wood) or another state (like Texas); (2) was filed in a federal court that either lacked jurisdiction or was required to abstain based on long-standing legal doctrines due to pending state court cases, or was filed in a state appellate court that lacked original jurisdiction (this happened in Georgia); (3) made some claim other than fraud, such as the unconstitutionality of a state election procedure; or (4) either the fraud claims (PA federal court case) or the entire case (numerous cases) was voluntarily dismissed by Trump or the electors before a ruling.
Maybe I missed a case and I'm wrong. If so, I'd love for someone to point one out. But if I'm not, then Trump's lawyers and Republican politicians and talking heads need to quit repeating this falsehood because it is doing some real damage. It will be pretty hard to win next time if we keep lying to ourselves about what actually happened.
That is hyperbolic it is not a factual statement. Prove there was fraud taking place and where and when and at exactly what moment it occurred. When should the President have LEGALLY order Federal Law enforcement to intervene in a State run election. The Georgia Legislators and SOS run the elections in that State, not the Federal Government.
There was fraud in the form of ballot harvesting primarily. The Georgia Governor and SOS approved of the ballot harvesting via a Consent Decree. Before Trump could do anything he had to get a court to agree the Consent Decree was illegal. That never happened. Sending in federal law enforcement would have been illegal precisely because we are a Republic.
The rats have found a way to work the system
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Because THEY ARE THE SYSTEM. boy, you’re clueless.
And after Obama was elected he cost dems over a thousand seats across the country and in the house and senate. however we didn’t have COVID special made up election rules for shady mail in ballots by the millions. from now on watch the after midnight ballot dumps knock out R’s all over the place.
YES!!!!
I agree. Suckerberg placed those ballot boxes. Next time, we stuff them!
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yea and who counts them? huh?
I wonder, what would we be saying if the Protestors never made it inside the Capitol Building yesterday?
This time we need to get rid of the Bush-Cheney-Romney-Graham Republicans. The filthy neocons - all of them.
All the other States needed their legislators to step in and decertify the results until an investigation could be conducted. It seems that in some states, they do not meet after the election or they had restrictions that only allowed the Governor to call a special session. If I were a conservative in those States I would get that changed and require the Legislative branches to remain in session after the election until they certify the results. Then have the Governor sign off on the certification. If there is a conflict, the State Legislations and the Executive branch would have to work that out before certifying the election results. Legislative branches should legally remain in session until they vote to certify the results.
Trump's legal team did a poor job because they chased every claim of fraud instead of remaining focused. Gulliani should have been focused on Biden and stayed out of the fraud. Lin Wood and Powell kept telling us about the evidence that I have never seen. There was no focus, but that may have been because they were juggling to many states with limited resources.
I didn't saw power.
He didn't say power.
Trump should have broken with the GOP after the election. He should never have done their tax cut agenda. over infrastructure. He should have declared martial law and posted troops at the border with shoot to kill orders when the pandemic was discovered.
The GOP just works for globalist corporations and suckers you all with cornpone patriotic rhetoric just like the Dems work for globalist corporations and suckers its base with social justice cornpone.
No you don’t get it yet but soon you will. We are not a republic any longer. This isn’t just four years of Obama. This is a total communist takeover of the whole country. Trump bending the constitution a little to save the republic would likely have kept this from happening.
You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it.
Pardon my rant, but here goes.
As some of you know I finally got my 2020 Corvette having ordered it fifteen Months ago. It was going to be my last Car and I wanted something that would be fun to own and drive in my old age.
As silly as it sounds, I have lost all interest in owning the Car. After the Election results it just didn’t matter to me anymore. I have only driven the car 150 Miles since I picked it up in mid November.
As soon as the Title shows up I am putting it up for sale. Time to consolidate my Financial Resources.
Having witnessed what has and is occurring to our Republic has changed my Life as much as the day I was Diagnosed with Leukemia fifteen years ago.
To those jumping on the POTUS Trump bashing wagon, remember that the only perfect Man the world has ever known was Jesus Christ.
We have witnessed the most obscene Character Assassination of a Man who has sacrificed his Name, Family and Fortune for our Country while the forces of Evil are determined to make him suffer for their imagined transgressions the rest of his natural Life.
Today they are doing their best to poison the Well and drive a wedge through POTUS Trump’s Supporters. Don’t give in to the Propaganda and stop with all the “he should have” BS. He stood alone and the proof of that is being exposed today.
Anyone in my sphere of Influence who supports the EVIL DEMONcRATS is dead to me. Family, Friend, it is of no concern. We have moved beyond Political differences.
They are as good as Traitors who have helped the Evil brought upon our great Nation to flourish. They either repent or they can travel in their circle of Tyrannical oppressors.
Rant off. God Bless you and God Bless the remnants of our Republic. Looks like Evil has won this time around.
It's terrible what the media and Dems did to Trump, what's worse is people don't seem to care. Patriots care, they won't take it.
Never get 2/3rds of the Senate to remove.
Probably can't get 2/3rds of the House to remove.
This is just a dumb MSM ploy to convince people who don't have a ________g clue what 25A actually says (and that's not targeted at you, I assume anyone named "2A" knows all the Amendments backwards and forwards), and write a Narrative over that ignorance.
If 25A is actually invoked, then Nancy's 25A Committee will be turned and used against Schumer and Pelosi by the Squat...
After what I saw last night, its extremely naive to assume they can't bring 7 GOP Senators over to convict.
I would bet on it being Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Cotton, Blunt, Lee and Toomey ..
I think that's a fair point, although I'll say Wood and Powell are charlatans who weren't helping anything and Giuliani is washed up when it comes to litigation. But he had other lawyers (even though his best lawyers either quit or, more likely, were fired early in the process).
What they should have done, if they in fact had real evidence of sufficient fraud to affect the outcome of the election (which I have now come to doubt), is file election challenges in state court under state law and focus on aggressively pursuing those challenges. Because that is exactly how those claims are supposed to be resolved.
Also, I'll make another point: If they were spread too thin, it wasn't for lack of available manpower. I am a fairly experienced trial and appellate lawyer, and I responded to a call for volunteer lawyers from the Trump campaign, through a conservative former Senator and his organization, and offered to put my life and my practice on hold, fly out to wherever they needed me on my own dime, and help the campaign any way they wanted pro bono. Drafting briefs, reviewing documents, taking depositions, observing counts, making coffee, whatever. There was also a prominent local businessman here in Houston willing to finance other lawyers to come with me.
Never got a call. And I know I'm not the only one either. I'm not trying to say I'm some superstar who could have saved the day and I'm not offended that I wasn't called (and frankly, at this point, I'm glad I wasn't), but if the problem was really that they were spread too thin, I think certainly could have been of some help.
Here's what I think happened: Despite a volume of claims of fraud or irregularity, the campaign realized quickly that they did not actually have credible evidence to build a case that could plausibly affect the outcome of the election. The statements and affidavits were either not credible, would not stand up to cross-examination, did not actually show anything illegal, or only affected a few votes. The evidence would not hold up in court, but might hold up with his own supporters if presented through friendly media, so that's what they did.
Instead, they focused on long-shot constitutional claims under the Electors' Clause and Equal Protection Clause. There were three problems there:
(1) Some of their very best claims were challenges to procedures that had been enacted or announced months if not years before the election, and should have been challenged then, not later; that's what happened in Pennsylvania state court and other states. In PA, there was a suit contending that the "no excuse" absentee voting law violated the PA constitution. This is the one Cruz offered to argue in SCOTUS. After reading the PA constitution, I don't know that I agree with Cruz or the plaintiffs on the merits of their argument, but more to the point: That law had been enacted in October 2019. They had over a year to challenge it before the election, but instead waited until weeks after the election to file, so the PA Supreme Court held the claim was barred by the doctrine of laches (equitable doctrine barring certain relief if a party unreasonably delays in asserting his rights). I tend to agree: You can't wait until after millions of people rely on the law passed by the legislature and cast supposedly unconstitutional absentee ballots, wait to see the results of the election, and only then, after the election doesn't go your way, ask the judge to throw their votes out. That's outrageous and no court should tolerate it, and it's exactly the sort of thing laches is intended to prevent. Something similar happened in Michigan with the "Democracy in the Park" mail-in ballot collection, which, again, would have been a good Electors Clause claim if it had been made before the election.
(No knock on Cruz here: He's an excellent lawyer, and I think he knows the problems with his argument. But he clearly has ambitions for 2024 and wants to ingratiate himself to Trump's supporters.)
(2) A number of courts, including the Third Circuit, held that only state legislatures--not voters or candidates--have standing to assert Electors Clause claims. I don't fault Trump's lawyers too badly for not anticipating that because the issue had never been raised prior to the 2020 election. However, the Supreme Court never made such a holding, and Trump's lawyers never fought it--they conceded a lack of standing in District Court in PA in their Electors Clause suit, and did not appeal the dismissal of that claim to the Third Circuit. I think the courts are probably right about standing here, but if the Trump campaign wanted to fight it, they should have fought it and taken it up to SCOTUS. Instead, they threw in the towel with no fight on this issue.
(3) They brought Equal Protection Clause claims, but they plainly lacked standing for those. Unlike the Electors Clause cases, there is long-standing case law, mostly from redistricting cases, on standing to bring claims for violation of voters' Equal Protection rights. Those claims belong to voters, not candidates.
I don't have a problem with the focus on Constitutional claims if, as it appears, these were the best claims they had. I do have a problem with them claiming that courts are refusing to hear their evidence when that is manifestly untrue. They are doing the Trump, his supporters, conservatives, and the country a disservice, and they are violating their obligations as lawyers and officers of the court as well.
I believe there was large scale fraud in PA and GA. Possibly in NV as well. It was done through ballot harvesting made legal or allowed using COVID as an excuse. We experienced this in my family as members had to vote provisionally because someone had voted by mail for them or early voted in their name. That was in two different States. North Carolina held the line because college students were not at campuses. Had then been on campus, the ballot harvesting would have been worse.
Unfortunately, ballot harvesting is, as you note, legal in at least some jurisdictions. Where it is illegal, it is almost impossible to detect and prove unless someone squeals or gets really sloppy because both the voter and harvester are in on it, and it is usually done in communities where crime is not reported anyway.
The only way to end ballot harvesting is to end absentee voting except in narrow circumstances. "No excuse" needs to end, and, even in states without it, there need to be further restrictions on absentee voting. That needs to be THE top priority, along with redistricting, in 2021: It needs to be pushed and pushed hard in every state legislature. What we don't need is to chase our tails over red herrings like Dominion or to engage in ridiculous in-fighting. For example, one important champion of ending mail-in voting in Georgia is Brad Raffensperger, the guy Trump keeps attacking and wants to run out of office.
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