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Arizona GOP Electors Join Lawsuit Against Mike Pence, Asks Court to Define VP’s ‘Exclusive Authority’ to Reject Electors
National File ^ | 12/29/2020 | Jack Hadfield

Posted on 12/29/2020 8:41:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/29/2020 8:41:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 12/29/2020 8:41:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Pence isn’t going to lift a finger.


3 posted on 12/29/2020 8:49:01 AM PST by bgill (.)
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RE: Pence isn’t going to lift a finger.

You have insider information regarding what Pence will do?


4 posted on 12/29/2020 8:49:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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pence is part of the old gope and will do what mcconnell tells him to do. Short of a full blown revolt by us, biden will be sworn in. The old gope is fine with biden’s agenda. They are only too happy to sit back and bitch from the minority perch. Somehow they think that is a winning position. I personally believe we are watching the end of the gope.


5 posted on 12/29/2020 8:53:04 AM PST by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: SeekAndFind
Asks Court to Define VP’s ‘Exclusive Authority’ to Reject Electors

Such authority does not exist to be defined:

[The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.]

As amended (12th):

[The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.]

6 posted on 12/29/2020 8:53:13 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

SCOTUS will reject this one, too, as jurisdiction is limited to “cases and controversies” and by extension requests for “advisory opinions” are by definition precluded. IMHO.


7 posted on 12/29/2020 8:57:11 AM PST by Thilly Thailor
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Hmmm...ask court to “define” or to “acknowledge”?


8 posted on 12/29/2020 9:06:00 AM PST by frog in a pot (One of the problems...Americans face today is the immensity of what’s happening. --Andrea Widburg )
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrat/commie÷RINO = TRAITOR.


9 posted on 12/29/2020 9:07:22 AM PST by HighSierra5
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To: SeekAndFind; bgill
RE: Pence isn’t going to lift a finger.

You have insider information regarding what Pence will do?


I personally have no insider information. But I'm allowed to make a prediction, and here's my prediction: Pence isn't going to lift a finger. He might issue a statement of concern about the process, and call for better controls in the future, but in terms of doing anything, no.

Admittedly, my prediction for last night was that the Pats would probably cover the 7-point spread against the Bills, and they lost by 29. I can't claim that my predictions are infallible. Still, losing $25 on a sports bet is one thing. A presidential election is a bit more consequential.
10 posted on 12/29/2020 9:26:52 AM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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Ok, let’s just hope your predictive losing streak continues from sports to politics :)


11 posted on 12/29/2020 9:31:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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How do you know that? Pense is a Christian and WILL DO the RIGHT thing

WATCH!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 12/29/2020 10:05:41 AM PST by afchief
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Pence folds, we’re on our own and few of you realize it.


13 posted on 12/29/2020 10:15:23 AM PST by RBW in PA
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If this went to the house with one vote per state it would chap the asses of the commies in cal to no end knowing their 55ev means the same as Alaska’s few! Imagine trump winning like 28 to 22 with the speaker pelousy
Recording the vote. Priceless.


14 posted on 12/29/2020 10:21:54 AM PST by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media.)
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To: SeekAndFind

later


15 posted on 12/29/2020 10:38:53 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (STOLEN ELECTION 2020)
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To: frog in a pot

Screw the court - just do it. They have absolutely no say and are not involved in this. The “Supreme” Court is a CO-EQUAL branch of the government - not the be-all and end-all.


16 posted on 12/29/2020 10:55:55 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Both Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 and the 12th Amendment clearly shows the VP as the last link in the chain of custody for electoral votes imo.
Excerpted from 12th Amendment: "[…] and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate [emphasis added] shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; […]"

Noting that I'm not up to speed with specific events regarding 1792 United States presidential election, here's some interesting wording from a contemporary article about about John Adams, Washington's VP, counting the electoral votes.

"It fell to John Adams, the vice president and presiding officer of the Senate, to count the ballots cast by the electoral college delegates." —C. James Taylor, JOHN ADAMS: CAMPAIGNS AND ELECTIONS, UVA Miller Center

Consider that if you fill out your own federal taxes with long form tax deductions to pay unconstitutional federal taxes, then surely you can count 132 electoral votes by yourself.

Also consider that the 1864 Civil War reelection of President Lincoln established an Electoral College precedent by simply ignoring any electoral votes of the Confederate states, “states not in good standing” (my words). Minimum electoral votes needed to win Oval Office were probably adjusted.

"Because eleven Southern states had declared secession from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America, only twenty-five states participated in the election." — Presidential election of 1864.

This time around, instead of secession, the issue is organized, desperate Democratic vote-counting fraud.

Corrections, insights welcome.

17 posted on 12/29/2020 11:04:56 AM PST by Amendment10
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If Pence becomes the modern day Brutus, stabbing his boss
in the back the GOP dies a quick death.

Trump will found the America First party with the 95% of the GOP and 7T5 million who voted for him

McTurdle is 7Q8 years old and will be 84 years old at he
end of his term if he lives that long.

Look how Fox news is doing in the ratings, that is the GOP
future if they screw over on the Trump base.

Wait till you see the DC rally on the national mall on
January 6th, that will show the extent of the DJT base
loyalty.


18 posted on 12/29/2020 11:17:46 AM PST by Zenjitsuman (w)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Agree. Legislatures have to fix each state. no court no VP. Because each state is different. Each has thie own issue. PA needs to invalidate mail in ballots for those counties that can’t reconcile. Delaware, Philly most likely and Allegany maybe Montco. WIsconsin has to do what it needs to do here. Invalidate the mail-in votes.


20 posted on 12/29/2020 11:21:55 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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