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Tory Hardliners fall in behind Brexit deal: Boris Johnson appears to win support of Tory Eurosceptics for his EU trade agreement
Daily Mail ^ | 28 December 2020 | Daniel Martin

Posted on 12/28/2020 12:28:49 AM PST by Cronos

Boris Johnson looks to have won his battle to persuade hardline Brexiteers in his party to back his EU trade deal in the Commons this week.

The Prime Minister and top adviser Oliver Lewis have been ringing senior members of the pro-Brexit European Research Group to argue that the agreement meets their demands on the return of sovereignty.

The ERG has convened a self-styled 'star chamber' legal team, with veteran Eurosceptic Sir Bill Cash as chairman, to go through the 1,200-page document line by line.

Andrew Bridgen, Conservative MP (pictured) and a member of the ERG, said: 'If you had offered me what we've got here back in 2016 I wouldn't have snapped your hand off, I'd have had your arms and your legs as well'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: borisjohnson; brexit
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Looks like the trade deal is on track to getting passed.

Note - the UK already left the EU (i.e. Brexit already happened) on 31st January 2020. This is about a trade deal between the UK and the EU

1 posted on 12/28/2020 12:28:49 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

What happens with the Northern Ireland Border?


2 posted on 12/28/2020 12:53:01 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken )
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To: higgmeister

There will be no hard border on the island of Ireland. So people and goods will flow easily across the island. But there will be a customs check between NI and RotUK


3 posted on 12/28/2020 1:02:05 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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“..last night Tory grandee Lord Heseltine called on MPs and peers to abstain when it comes to the vote, warning the deal will inflict ‘lasting damage’ on the UK.”

If eurotraitor Heseltine thinks it is a bad deal, that increases my confidence in it.


4 posted on 12/28/2020 3:11:39 AM PST by Reverend Wright (Biden is like Robert Mueller: a senile frontman for radical left interests)
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To: Cronos

Just out of curiosity, have you had s chance to read all 1,200 pages...?


5 posted on 12/28/2020 3:16:22 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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To: Cronos

So the question is will the Maoists running the show in Brussels succeed in breaking up the United Kingdom? They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’d love to see Scotland and Northern Ireland break away...because that’s just what Maoists do!


6 posted on 12/28/2020 4:21:16 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (STOLEN ELECTION 2020)
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To: Cronos
There will be no hard border on the island of Ireland. So people and goods will flow easily across the island. But there will be a customs check between NI and RotUK

I thought the internal EU customs checks were a redline. Although if the EU court system no longer has any authority in GB, I'm not sure how it will be enforced, and if there is a free trade agreement, I don't see what effect the internal customs checks would have.

7 posted on 12/28/2020 4:56:06 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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The checks will be mainly on regulatory compliance, and mainly on live animals and foodstuffs moving to NI from elsewhere in the UK. That’s because some EU regulations will continue to be observed in NI. The checks will be carried out and enforced by British customs officials.


8 posted on 12/28/2020 5:31:46 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Reverend Wright
From Lord Heseltine's site european movement
Boris Johnson’s Brexit trade deal is a bad deal for Britain.

This disastrous deal leaves us in a worse position than we held as a member of the EU. From our economy to our jobs, to our British food and farming industry, Boris Johnson’s government has chosen a deal that sacrifices them all.

This was not an accident, but a choice made by this government. They have chosen to implement the first trade deal in modern history that creates more barriers to trade. It is people like you and me that will suffer.

Here are just some of the implications of this deal for communities across the UK
  • It puts enormous pressure on our NHS during a global pandemic, blocking our access to vital supplies and essential medical research.
  • It leaves us all poorer during a time of economic hardship, by adding red tape and raising additional barriers to cross-border trade.
  • It threatens our British food and farming, by creating excess customs checks, which means extra hurdles and hoops for our British farmers to jump through to make ends meet.
  • It damages our economy by ignoring services, which makes up 80% of our economic activity, and it piles on the red tape for anyone wishing to trade with the EU.

9 posted on 12/28/2020 5:47:09 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: mewzilla
I read the Summary explainer . have you read the whole?
10 posted on 12/28/2020 5:50:11 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Gay State Conservative
how could this be Maoism? Maoism is about the peasantry as the vanguard. What peasantry are you talking about?

Furthermore, the communists support Brexit

It is precisely because we want an alternative to Britain’s crazily unbalanced and financialised economy that we, the Communist party of the UK campaigned for Britain to leave the neoliberal EU and in doing so free ourselves from the anti-union judgments of the ECJ, the restrictions on state aid to industry, the obstacles to public ownership and the drive to militarise the EU.

But beyond this we are fearful that in breaking the bipartisan pledge that the Brexit vote be respected, Labour will lose for generations more the trust that the Blair government betrayed and which the Corbyn team has so painstakingly rebuilt. A betrayal of the Brexit vote will supercharge Ukip or worse.

The EU is an irreformable instrument for impoverishing the continental periphery and the working people of each country to the benefit of a predatory class whose wealth increases with every one of capitalism’s succeeding crises.

Communists want a People’s Brexit. Unconstrained by EU treaties, single market rules and directives, a left-led Labour government could develop a worker-led industrial strategy; aid industry, invest in training, youth and jobs, social welfare, housing, education and health services; and take the transport, energy and postal service profiteers back into public ownership.

Nick Wright

Head of communications, Communist party of Britain

11 posted on 12/28/2020 5:55:15 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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I’m up to page 172.

This is a cluster if you’re a Brexiteer.


12 posted on 12/28/2020 5:55:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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To: Gay State Conservative
And to the points of Scotland and NI

The majority of Scots voted to remain. They've felt put on by Westminster for decades and the move for independence is high. It helps the EU to have another English speaking financial center (after Ireland) no doubt, but it's not going to push too hard or else Spain and France will squeal (think of the Basque region)

NI - again, the majority of NI voted leave. The only thing the EU wanted was for the RoI not to be squeezed by the UK and for the Good Friday agreement to be respected - both of which have happened. This deal leaves NI borderless but NI remains in the UK - everyone's happy

13 posted on 12/28/2020 5:57:59 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: pierrem15

There won’t be an internal EU customs check.

There will be an internal UK customs check between NI and the rest of the UK (RotUK)

Northern Ireland will remain judicially and politically part of the UK, but will follow EU trade rules and commercial standards/regulations.


14 posted on 12/28/2020 6:00:41 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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well, a lot of it is extremely vague. I only checked about the services bit as that’s what affects me and so far it seems pretty good. Our clients in the UK are still moving work to various places outside the UK, so that’s good business.


15 posted on 12/28/2020 6:04:21 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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Here's a useful explainer on the N Ireland customs deal. If it sounds like squaring a circle, that's because it is:

Northern Ireland protocol

16 posted on 12/28/2020 6:07:22 AM PST by Winniesboy
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Winnie - in my opinion it’s the best they could do. I don’t see how a complete British leave could be obtained in any other way


17 posted on 12/28/2020 6:20:34 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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Northern Ireland will remain judicially and politically part of the UK, but will follow EU trade rules and commercial standards/regulations.

And you appear to think that's good?   That's wrong!

18 posted on 12/28/2020 10:34:37 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken )
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That is good because

1. The people of northern Ireland want that. 56% voted to remain in the EU.
2. This keeps the island of Ireland border free, stopping a return to the troubles.
3. No border in Ireland means that the uk abides by the good Friday agreement that it signed.


19 posted on 12/28/2020 10:54:41 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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Rather thorny issue of enforcement if British Customs is accused of deviating from EU norms: who decides compliance?

I don't want to make more of it than it is, but it's hard to underestimate the European penchant for fudging such issues.

20 posted on 12/28/2020 11:42:00 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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