Posted on 12/27/2020 12:06:44 PM PST by 11th_VA
I know. Most have noticed that fact by age 12. A Godless nation screaming for safety and security has been heard throughout history. History rolled over them.
It is to only God’s faithful people, to whom a healed land was promised. He spoke only to His Church.
“If MY People, who are called by MY Name, will humble themselves and pray repentance, I will heal their land”. (Pp)
Alas and however, the churches still run buck naked with messages largely of the here-and-now ear tickling, fund raising & donuts
earthly prosperity, or personal spiritual power, or denominational specialness, or socialism. The Church protested, in Rome, is full on Marxist and libertine.
We do have a ways to go, I think. Americans are no longer all that humble by nature, as in early American Christian days of more suffering, lending more desire for serious study and pious practices.
Would our Lord even recognize many, many churches as such today, people awash in comfort and convenience?
God’s time and God’s thoughts are not ours. There is no time in Heaven.
We are commanded to pray unceasingly, in word, thought and deed. He is with us always.
Thanks be to God.
Very wrong on a couple of accounts. McConnell has no say in whether or not there is a debate. Pence presides that day in the Senate and McConnell has no control.
Two, BOTH houses do not have to agree to void the votes, that power is reserved to Pence. The house gets no say unless the Senate throws the election to them.
Then they vote with each state getting ONE vote. The House does NOT have to agree first.
PDJT actually stuck it to the RINOS and on the plus side stuck it to Biteme & the Ho. The RATS will lose some pork and with a reduced majority will have trouble getting that pork in a future bill. But the RATS took the high road and said they always wanted $2000. The RINOS on the other hand are backed in a corner and will look like they are heartless asses telling struggling voters to piss off if they do not give $2000. Biteme, will not get to ride in on a white horse and hand out more money. Instead of a hero he will look like what he is a demented dunce. Still winning with three and a half weeks of more winning ahead.
Suggest you go back and review the process. I believe you are mixing apples and oranges.
Pence can refuse to accept the electoral votes. He will not do that, but that is one path.
The other path is one Representative and one Senator object to the vote. The chambers separate and each considers the objection separately. Both chambers would have to agree the election was fraudulent and vote to exclude the electoral votes of all or just contested states. The House will never do that. The votes will be certified and thrown to Pence. Under no circumstances will Pence want this to be his legacy. Either way he is finished, no conservatives will ever vote for him again and the RINOS do not like him either.
Article 2 section 1.
“The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by Ballot one of them for President;”
Pence is the President of the Senate. McConnell has no power in this activity except as a party leader, trying to stop any other Senator from objecting to a state’s electors when Pence opens them. There is no Senate vote. Pence will be presented with two slates or electors from 6 states. He must decide which are legitimate and which are not, or he may exclude them entirely. If that happens, nobody will make 270 and the election is thrown to the house.
That is the process. There is no Article 2 mention of any votes except Pence counting sealed slated of electors, and the House voting with one vote per state if he excludes enough slates such that nobody makes 270.
“Trump is by far more of the genius. He’s got a tremendous mind and uses it brilliantly.”
Then why did he sit back while the democrats were changing election laws all year? He like everyone else damn well knew they were planning election fraud, he even posted it on Twitter back in June 2020 “Democrats are planning election fraud”. What did he do about it? Now we are 3 weeks away from China taking us completely over.
Wrong. One Senator and One representative object but both chambers do not have to vote. Show me a single source for that claim, that both chambers must vote to throw it to the house... it doesn’t exist.
“”ASSUMING HE SUCCEEDS on getting foreign aide reduced and stimulus checks to Americans raised to $2,000.””
I thought everyone learned long ago not to count their chickens until they’re hatched. Apparently Dick Morris never learned that.
Again, you are skipping the step where one House member and One Senator can object.
You are talking about the House process for electing the President IF the electoral votes are tossed out. You are jumping to the fourth quarter of a game without playing the first three quarters.
“Pence will be presented with two slates or electors from 6 states. “
Where did you get the info that VP Pence will be presented with two slates of electors from 6 states?
That’s SMH that Toomey only wanted the $2000 relief! He could have demanded that the spending bill and relief bill be separated into two bills but he didn’t. And ask him if he read all 5600+ pages before he approved the bill! The guy is a snake!
“”Toomey said he only supports the bill because COVID relief is attached””
How many hours did he or his staff spend finding that reference to COVID relief? I haven’t found it yet.
Try searching:
What can happen is the Senate and House agree to refuse votes from both sets of conflicting electors from say Georgia and WI, but accept PA and MI, or vice versa. Either way Biden still wins.
Pence starts opening sealed elector slates.
One Rep and one Senator object to a Judgement Pence makes.
They separate and debate IN THE Senate. There is NO house vote that occurs.
If the Senate cannot agree on enough slates to get to 270, the matter is sent to the House. That is the only time they they get to vote.
During the reading, they are mere witnesses who can object.
There is nothing you can point to ANYWHERE that says the House gets to vote on whether or not to send the election *to themselves*.
The Founders would have never constructed such an obvious conflict of interest.
This is all semantics, both chambers will accept the electoral votes for Biden and Pence WILL certify the results. Sadly it stands as Swamp 1 - We the People 1 (Trump win 2016). It is what we do next that will determine the game.
"But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted."
Seriously, read will you:
“Objections to individual state returns must be made in writing by at least one Member each of the Senate and House of Representatives. If an objection meets these requirements, the joint session recesses and the two houses separate and debate the question in their respective chambers for a maximum of two hours,” the CRS said. “The two houses then vote separately to accept or reject the objection.”
Come on wishful thinking is okay but you are burying your head in the sand. Look, I hope I am wrong and you are right. But this election is over, you really think McConnell and McCarthy are going to let objections stand. Do you believe Pence will really throw this election to the House? Like I said I hope I am wrong, but doubt that I am.
Here on FR today.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3919250/posts
“Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.”
When was the most recent of those miracles? Over 2000 years ago? Well, I guess we are overdue...
If Pence goes coward, it’s over. If not, we win. That’s the whole game.
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