Posted on 12/25/2020 2:27:59 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
TOKYO - Japan aims to eliminate gasoline-powered vehicles in the next 15 years, the government said on Friday in a plan to reach net zero carbon emissions and generate nearly $2 trillion a year in green growth by 2050.
The “green growth strategy,” targeting the hydrogen and auto industries, is meant as an action plan to achieve Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga’s October pledge to eliminate carbon emissions on a net basis by mid-century.
Suga has made green investment a top priority to help revive the economy hit by the COVID-19 pandemic and to bring Japan into line with the European Union, China and other economies setting ambitious emissions targets.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Maybe go back to rice.
They will go woke then go broke...
I watched a vid on PradaU. A breakdown on the alternate energy systems, what it takes, costs, availability, etc and as you can guess, when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow your stuck like cow dung to a boot.
My dream is to have enough to start buying created motorized vehicles I can convert to run on ethenol, diesel or gas. It’s not hard to do in small batches....
The hydrogen vehicle research is scoring some success. This issue of the hydrogen ‘filling-stations’ is reaching a level where it’s not impossible in imagining placement of the stations now.
I’ve been hearing about hydrogen fuel cells for 40 years. I’ve been hearing about Thorium salt reactors for 30 years.
If big oil is stopping them, why can’t they stop solar and windmills?
None of this shit is viable.
I looked at hydrogen, yes, it works even to the level of home built units, though again the cost of placing a hydrogen manufacturing unit for vehicle use like gas stations is massive and cost prohibitive. It is something to look further into in maybe 10 years but right now the costs to replicate petroleum station transportation storage and energy equivalence is still pretty much not going to bring instant results.
“ My dream is to have enough to start buying created motorized vehicles I can convert to run on ethenol, diesel or gas. It’s not hard to do in small batches....”
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I’m thinking hydrogen powered vehicles is the future especially for long haul rigs, pickups, SUV’s, etc. EV’s have a role to play in urban areas. But, out in flyover country they won’t cut it.
I loved the new Tesla SUV...
I waited, only took the smart ppl to work out it was not going to get much milage, and I cracked up when they said they had an expensive upgrade that took a third of the rear tray area... But the truck would do Huge miles..
What was it.. a bloody big generator set to recharge the battery system, runs on petroleum.
Suffice to say sales have Not been brisk. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😎
“ I’ve been hearing about hydrogen fuel cells for 40 years. I’ve been hearing about Thorium salt reactors for 30 years.”
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Yeh, EV’s were some of the first horseless carriages on the scene and then disappeared for a hundred years or so. Musk however is making some inroads with the help of government subsidies. And, he has created a strong Lobby to protect them and squash any alternatives such as hydrogen. But, the fact is, there has not been as yet a breakthrough in battery technology, just a slow trickle of evolutionary improvements over the past century. And, there’s nothing on the horizon.
I watched a piece in the spring of this year...Brit company had refined the production cycle....making a production center at a actual station. Cost factor needs to be refined.
The selling point to me is that it takes 5 minutes to fill a tank. To suggest the E-car deal...6 to 8 hours to recharge, it’s a no-go to get hyped up on the battery cars.
So what? You need fossil fuel to make hydrogen at a net loss. There are no hydrogen wells. You have to reverse the waste product of hydrogen burning (water) to make hydrogen. You might as well try to use CO2 to make gasoline while you are at it. This is called inventing perpetual motion.
An isolated island like Japan which is no bigger than California, might be able to do this. But try to scale it up to the size of the USA and it will fail spectacularly.
It will fail in the USA because of the leftists, the Greens, and anybody who resists powerful energy sources like nuclear be it fission, fusion, thorium, whatever. Petroleum based energy will not be replaced until a substitute with similar characteristics to gasoline, etc.
Some car makers are bragging about 30 minute battery recharge but that does not compare favorably to a five minute refill at a gas station. And the fuel tank on a petroleum powered vehicle does not cost $5,000+ USD and have to be replaced every 4-5 years.
Nope, not happening here for decades, if ever.
“But, the fact is, there has not been as yet a breakthrough in battery technology, just a slow trickle of evolutionary improvements over the past century. And, there’s nothing on the horizon.”
Well there was one in our lifetimes, Lithium Ion batteries. For everything else, there’s a lot of hype and while they may work in the LAB, will they work in both Central Canada and Phoenix? Can they take a decent accident without lighting up? Can they be charged quickly, provide high power, and still store a lot of energy?
Bottom line, life is hard in the REAL WORLD.
If you had interchangeable batteries that slipped in and out quick that would solve the wait. But then you’d have to have gigantic battery “station” warehouses stocking fresh batteries. These warehouses would have to have electrical sub stations close by and gee folks where do we get all that juice? The watermelons think electricity is magic and comes out of a wall. Like money grows on trees.
You fools just don’t understand science. Let us liberals in government handle these things you will never be smart enough to understand. We’re in the middle of building a utopia here and can’t let you science deniers stop us. /sarc
Fission reactors work quite nicely.
Another trash article from AP.
There is no such thing as green cars. They all need electricity to charge batteries, generated by burning fossil fuels or nuclear waste.
“ Well there was one in our lifetimes, Lithium Ion batteries.”
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Well, I agree that lithium is the best improvement that’s come along. But, if we define evolutionary improvement as arithmetic and revolutionary improvement as exponential then it ain’t happened yet.
Agreeing with your concluding comment though; I live in the Dallas area and drive frequently to Phoenix. Traffic on the drive moves at about 75 ~ 80 mph. I haven’t seen any EV test results in Texas summer driving at interstate speeds with AC running full blast, two or three occupants with electronic gadgetry plugged in. Guessing Musk’s long-range Tesla won’t do 100 miles under these conditions. As you stated “life is hard in the real world”. 😉
Fully agree, a friend of mine had a tesla up in WY out to his family ranch, hit cold weather, snow and sleet. You ever tried to use a flashlight when it’s cold...,
Not going to work to well, if at all, well think of a frozen bank of LiPo in the Tesla.... Zip.
Oh and you drop about 70% of your range in freezing conditions. They have upgraded to a battery heater system, but that uses power and you know the rest.
Gimme Diesel, some quick start spray some condensers and Twin LiFePo4 batteries and can go hunting 😎😎😎😎
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