Posted on 12/22/2020 7:29:00 AM PST by devane617
When Barbara Johns was just 16 years old, she led a walkout at her high school to protest poor and unequal school conditions. The moment is one that many historians believe helped launch the desegregation movement in the US. Now, Johns -- who died in 1991 -- will be memorialized at the US Capitol, replacing Virginia's statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
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The University of Pennsylvania's English department replaced their portrait of William Shakespeare with an obscure black lesbian whom no one outside a small subset of academia has ever heard of.
Although UPenn is the university that Donald, Ivanka, Donald Jr, and Tiffany Trump graduated from, it's also the university that received a multi-million chunk of change from Chyna to establish a Joseph R. Biden Chair, in anticipation of Hillary's ascendancy. When Trump won instead, this venarable university founded by Benjamin Franklin even before the Declaration of Independence turned viciously on Donald Trump, who was previously listed on the Wharton School of Business' web page of its most distinguished alumni. It's just a matter of time until UPenn removes its two outdoor statues of Ben Franklin.
1) They took over the schools and public sector unions
2) then colleges
3) inner city churches
4) import immigrants
5) steal elections (they been doing this way before 2020)
6) media take over
7) RINOs
8) Antifa and civil unrest
9) social media
They had a plan, and it worked.
We’re following in the path of South Africa and Rhodesia. Soon white people will be the minority.
So because your New Jersey high school in the late 20th century was effectively segregated, you think Robert E. Lee should be scorned? I fail to see your reasoning.
“Can you cite the sentence where he admitted to being a traitor and repented?”
“I Robert E. Lee ofLexington Virginia do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, that I will henceforth faithfully support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Union of the States thereunder, and that I will, in like manner, abide by and faithfully support all laws and proclamations which have been made during the existing rebellion with reference to the emancipation of slaves, so help me God.
R E Lee”
Henceforth.
Research. Leftists are ignorant. If you're actually conservative, you have no excuse.
I'll give you some hints.
Lee and his wife educated their people. Illegally.
Lee believed that slavery was abhorrent and would die out on it's own.
People who were born into a situation were brought up thinking their way of life was the norm. They were not born evil, they were born innocent. All they knew was what they were taught and that is how they lived their lives.
Even in today's modern world we have Caste Systems, from Mexico to India and many other Countries. How can that can be when people in today's modern world have access to every bit of historical human knowledge at their fingertips?
Today Societies evolve (or devolve depending on your viewpoint) with their eyes wide open. Unfortunately, there are those who know how to manipulate People who are too busy or lazy to seek out the facts. We see it every minute of every day.
Those who chose to Secede from the rest of the Country over a Century and a half ago thought their cause was just and righteous. They didn't consider themselves “Traitors”. They did not want to takeover the entire Country, they wanted to maintain what they thought their part of the Country was created to be.
Must be why I hear people where I now live in MS refer to the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression.
Will those who watched the last Election stolen from under their Noses and choose to use Civil Disobedience or some other actions be considered Traitors when the History of this time is written? AG Bill Barr said it best, history is written by the Victors. May I add, even the evil Victors.
Just to be clear, I am not one who considers Robert E. Lee a Traitor. He was a Man of his time. Should he be celebrated, probably not. His side lost and they were not in a position to write the History.
The History of our recent Election is already being written saying that those who disagree with the outcome have no validity in their reasoning. We will all be the next Robert E. Lee's and no one will be dedicating any Statues to us.
Lee resigned his commission in the US Army and went home to Virginia as a civilian. So in the thinking of many of the times the states were the ultimate source of sovereignty. They transferred a portion of that sovereignty upward through originally the Articles of Confederation then the Constitution to form a “federated nation”. During ratification of the Constitution several states had in their ratification bill wording stated they could leave if they didn’t like it. There were Founding Fathers who objected to those clauses but felt ratification was more important then arguing over that detail. I think both New York & Virginia had such a clause. During the War of 1812 several New England states started the process to secede because the war was destroying their commerce. The war ended while these discussions were happening and they wisely decided to pretend such discussions never occurred.
A far as secession goes, like I said there were Founding Fathers against the idea being retained by the states after ratification. Washington was one, and I think Hamilton, Madison had writing supporting both sides of the issue, there were a few others. Of course other FFs disagreed !
Back to Lee:
Lee was asked by the then Governor of Virginia to be the commander of the Virginia national forces. From Lee’s viewpoint after his resignation and going home to Virginia he ceased being a Federal citizen but retained his Virginia citizenship - Dual Sovereignty. So where’s the treason in Lee?
I know the Madisonian Dual Sovereignty idea is no longer taught in K12, so it is difficult for the modern mind to get a handle on.
And for the record I am not a “Lost Cause’er” by any means. I do believe in the Madison principle of dual sovereignty. Slavery was an abomination, part of the country was riding a tiger it didn’t know how to get off. War was a poor solution, but at the time probably the only one left. Unfortunately the South took the “Correct principle - State Sovereignty and applied it to the wrong issue - slavery”. By doing that application the “State Sovereignty” principle has been damaged perhaps irreparably ! And we all suffer for that !
Bingo you have it right guess some missed history class that day.
Actually they are not related at all
One has nothing to do with the other.
Not everything is related
It is called thinking, try it sometime.
Being realistic here, the Robert E Lee statues are not all that important to the American experience. Sure they belong in a Civil War or Robert E Lee Museum, but trying to say he was some sort of American icon is just wrong and revisionist. He took arms up against the United States, he is a traitor.
The Dems want these things down because they don’t want anyone to realize they were Democrats who were pro slavery. That is the only reason.
But we should look at it as the loser’s shouldn’t be prominently displayed. And that is how I look at it.
Thanks!
Disagree. You are welcome to your opinion, but don’t try to force it on me. I’m sure you have no problem honoring Obama, Pelosi, Schumer and all the rest of the traitors, but then maybe you don’t think they are.
Neither do I. The causes of emancipation and civil rights led to the enactment of laws that strengthened the rights of all Americans. Progress for Black Americans led to the betterment of all.
Well if he installs a good study cattlecatcher on the front, he might make it through the double doors without too much damage to the truck. The main problem will be getting proper traction on that marble floor.
Robert E. Lee resigned his commission in the United States Army in order to defend his southern country. If he retained his commission and took up arms against the United States then he would be a traitor. He did not . . . therefore, he was not. You are correct, CodeToad.
Nope. No admission of treason whatsoever within the four corners of that document.
Every Southern soldier had to sign that. Had an uncle who was wounded at Vicksburg and he signed that in order to come home to die.
The Federal troops honored Lee at Appomattox where he surrendered his troops. They held no rancor toward him because they knew he did what he felt he should do. If anyone were entitled to, it would have been them, and not some little rancorous pipsqueak like you.
Back in that day, people bore first allegiance to their state. To be a citizen of the United States, you had to be a citizen of a state.
Lee was offered the command of Union troops, but he went with his state. To do otherwise would have been treason for him.
Why not a statue of Stalin?
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Xi objected and the statue of Mao is in the works since something significant is needed to commemorate the ascension of the HarrisXiden and the end of the USA. Will put on pedestal on Jan 20,2021
How did his trial for Treason turn out? For that matter, how did any treason trial for a Confederate during that era turn out?
Once a state seceded, the citizens of a State were no longer US citizens. The President of the Confederacy was never tried or convicted of Treason either. Robert E Lee's country was the Confederate States of America.
Being repeated often doesn't infer truth.
REL was a supporter and citizen of the Confederate States of America. He was not a Union soldier, and therefore not a traitor - its precisely why his statue needs to stand where it was to help the American history challenged
FINALLY! Someone else who gets it! You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Those who chose to Secede from the rest of the Country over a Century and a half ago thought their cause was just and righteous. They didn’t consider themselves “Traitors”. They did not want to takeover the entire Country, they wanted to maintain what they thought their part of the Country was created to be.
We can still say that today. Some will say the looters were entitled to “reparations” for social justice, we just say they were shop lifting thieves.
However as stated, the victor writes the history, so in 100 years the looters will be known as social justice warriors seeking reparations from evil white men who chained their ancestors up to pick cotton. It will be total false, but hey, they are the winners here, not us.
Robert E Lee, did in fact take arms up against the United States army, whether he did this because he believed he was right is irrelevant now, because, in the end, he did lose.
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