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Toyota CEO Agrees With Elon Musk: We Don't Have Enough Electricity to Electrify All the Cars
PJ Media ^ | DEC 21, 2020 | BRYAN PRESTON

Posted on 12/21/2020 4:15:45 PM PST by george76

Toyota makes a lot of cars, so many that it’s the world’s largest or second-largest auto manufacturer every year.

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So Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda’s comments at the company’s year-end press conference deserve notice and no little amount of respect. He knows more about cars and their economic ecosystem than just about anyone else on the planet.

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“The more EVs we build, the worse carbon dioxide gets… When politicians are out there saying, ‘Let’s get rid of all cars using gasoline,’ do they understand this?”

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failure to count the cost of what politicians are proposing. More EVs will demand more electricity.

Toyoda is getting at two things. One, EVs are not powered by magical unicorn emissions, they are powered by the means we use to generate electricity. In the Japan, the United States, and everywhere else

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Wind is not economically competitive yet, so it’s subsidized by the government. Neither wind nor solar are cheap or reliable enough yet to displace oil and especially natural gas in our grid. The wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine. Oil and natural gas always burn.

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The second issue Toyoda is getting at is that petroleum isn’t just a fuel, it’s the foundation of thousands upon thousands of products we rely on every day. Cars alone have plastic and other petroleum-based parts throughout their systems and interiors. There is as of yet no reliable or economical replacement for the petroleum used to manufacture those parts

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Perhaps two of the world’s leading car experts should be listened to before Tokyo, Washington, or any other capital follows California’s lead and bans gas cars without considering the ripple effects.

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: automotive; electricity; elonmusk; energy; hybrids; infrastructure; prius; tesla; toyota; twofaced; youaskedforit
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To: angry elephant

Well, there is an environmental impact to dams and hydro-electricity; salmon can no longer swim upstream to their spawning grounds, etc...


121 posted on 12/22/2020 5:37:26 PM PST by mbj
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To: Jonty30; RockyTx

Jonty, I think you made the mistake of thinking RockyTx was open minded and would consider actual facts, like what Toyota is saying publicly. Apparently he can read minds and divine intent, in spite of the fact that Toyota also makes hybrids and EVs.


122 posted on 12/22/2020 5:41:09 PM PST by mbj
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To: mbj

He’s just watched too much Star Trek.

Many people need training in economics to have a better understanding why some things, like electrifying society,can’t work. For starters, there is just not enough copper for all that wiring needed or sand for theoretical zero resistance wiring. There also the lack of recognition that hydrocarbon byproducts is 100% recyclable by nature.


123 posted on 12/22/2020 5:47:23 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults. )
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To: TexasGator

It’s the first time I’ve heard that joke. I laughed when I read it.


124 posted on 12/22/2020 5:48:33 PM PST by mbj
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To: Organic Panic

:-)


125 posted on 12/22/2020 5:49:00 PM PST by mbj
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To: Mr. K

+1


126 posted on 12/22/2020 5:50:05 PM PST by mbj
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To: cpdiii

+1


127 posted on 12/22/2020 5:52:28 PM PST by mbj
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To: TexasGator

Show us your numbers and help us understand how electronic vehicles are in fact more efficient.


128 posted on 12/22/2020 5:57:29 PM PST by mbj
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To: mbj

“It’s the first time I’ve heard that joke. I laughed when I read it.”.

It’s been around since the 70’s. Posted at least once on every thread here about EV’s, solar or wind power.


129 posted on 12/22/2020 5:59:44 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: mbj

“Show us your numbers and help us understand how electronic vehicles are in fact more efficient.”

Can you multiply?


130 posted on 12/22/2020 6:01:14 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: GaryCrow

The future of nuclear is Enhanced Coulomb Repulsion. Google spent $10M on it and has filed several patents.


131 posted on 12/22/2020 6:02:03 PM PST by Kevmo (I feel like I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: mbj

“+1”

F.


132 posted on 12/22/2020 6:02:29 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: RooRoobird20

Hysteria? There have been 3 gigantic accidents with fission powered plants, Fukushima, Chernobyl, and 3 Mile Island.

Feel free to buy land inside their exclusion zones if you really believe that baloney.


133 posted on 12/22/2020 6:06:11 PM PST by Kevmo (I feel like I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: dangus

You’d think New Mexico and the desert states would catch on.


134 posted on 12/22/2020 6:10:22 PM PST by Kevmo (I feel like I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: cpdiii; mbj

“1. 60% thermal loss at generation plant/
2. 8% loss in transmission lines/
3. 1% loss charging the battery/
4. 7% loss from the electric motors in the car/

Total loss is 76%. (thus 24% makes it to your wheels)”

I only use your numbers for clarity in showing your glaring errors.

If you start with 100% then after 60% loss in generation you have 40% remaining.

If you lose 8% of that 40% in transmission you have 36.8%.

If you lose 1% in charging you have 36.8 x .99 = 36.4% remaining.

If you lose 7% in the motors that is 36.4 x .93 = 33.8% remaining.

33.8%, not 24%.


135 posted on 12/22/2020 6:16:32 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Jonty30

But Molt Taylor’s 1947 flying car design would overcome that pothole problem. People like AOC are counting on flying cars and building railroad bridges to Hawaii. They don’t even see the irony. There are very few potholes in the open sea.


136 posted on 12/22/2020 6:17:50 PM PST by Kevmo (I feel like I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: george76
"He said he feared government regulations would make cars a “flower on a high summit”—out of reach for the average person."

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason behind the push for EVs...it most certainly is NOT to protect the environment.
137 posted on 12/22/2020 6:20:08 PM PST by rottndog (Did you know....there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the sky?)
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To: Jonty30
" For starters, there is just not enough copper for all that wiring needed or sand for theoretical zero resistance wiring. "

LOL! Peak oil copper.

138 posted on 12/22/2020 6:26:47 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Kevmo

Obviously written by a layman with no nuclear power knowledge.


139 posted on 12/22/2020 6:28:51 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Show everyone how it is incorrect. Maybe it’s only 23% instead of 24%, thus making your statement true but your point false.


140 posted on 12/22/2020 6:47:53 PM PST by Kevmo (I feel like I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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