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1 posted on 12/21/2020 4:42:29 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

US - 330 million population - 300,000+ Covid deaths
EU - 500 million population - 500,000+ Covid deaths

If you look at deaths per XX population, you will find no significant difference between nations with strong mask mandates/shutdowns versus those without.

PS: South Korea going through another spike despite being looked at as a “success”


2 posted on 12/21/2020 4:49:43 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: Kaslin

It’s nothing to do with disease prevention, it’s just a visible sign of submission. That’s why they don’t even let honest studies like this get published or publicized.


3 posted on 12/21/2020 4:50:32 AM PST by livius
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To: Kaslin

2 Things getting rid of Trump, done, now collecting billions in cash in stimulus, repeat.


4 posted on 12/21/2020 4:50:34 AM PST by QuigleyDU ( )
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To: Kaslin

Anyone with any common sense knows this, but some here will still refuse to acknowledge that masks are just a ploy to psychologically condition the masses.


5 posted on 12/21/2020 4:50:54 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Kaslin

I don’t know if I agree.

I have been in Vietnam for the Wuhan flu breakout.

Once again, after two additional breakouts, there is no local transmission in the country, at present.

No flu, no mask required.

Though most people here, do still wear a mask.

Not trying to do anything by this post, except to say, masks do seem to be working here, anyway.


6 posted on 12/21/2020 4:53:59 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam)
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To: Kaslin

Denying the reality of the total ineffectiveness of widespread masking of America’s population is a sickness unto itself ... but its effects are far more protractive and widespread, and are far more damaging to the mental and physical health individuals who suffer from these conditions — the denial of reality as well as masking to “stop the spread” — than is a respiratory virus with a 99.9 percent survival rate.


7 posted on 12/21/2020 4:56:12 AM PST by glennaro (“I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.”)
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To: Kaslin

Initially, the Surgeon General was against masks and said so frequently. IIRC, the reasoning was that a) people would not wear them correctly and b) that the mask gave people a false sense of security and would not do the other hygiene things. Only after months did he adopt the gubermint line, even going so far as to record a Public Service Announcement touting mask usage.


8 posted on 12/21/2020 4:58:49 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Sorry, your race card has been declined. Can you present any other form of argument?")
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To: Kaslin
Most of the masks people wear are nowhere near the n95 rating. Some even wore bandanas in the early days. The paper disposable masks don't get disposed of immediately after use and the cloth ones don't get washed.

Face it, most of us know the masks do nothing and wear them just to get in the stores. And then there are the ones who changed their avatars (on sites that allow that) to a photo of them wearing their mask. Cringeworthy morons...

9 posted on 12/21/2020 5:05:25 AM PST by jeffc (I'm a Patriot, and the media are our enemy)
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To: Kaslin
The national numbers do not compare before and after. Also the Florida results show that there's no difference between the masked and unmasked counties. Masks may indeed do nothing, but this "study" shows nothing.
16 posted on 12/21/2020 5:40:49 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Kaslin
Some even wore bandanas in the early days.

I see people who pull the collar of their t-shirt up over their face, and that is somehow acceptable. The whole mask thing is, and always was, just another fraud, another scare tactic to control the people, and one that has worked incredibly well.

Similarly useless are these other “mitigation measures”:

Social distancing - useless and unnecessary, as evidenced by the simple fact that it has not had any affect on the spread of COVID whatsoever.

One-way entry/exit doors at stores - this is mind-numbingly stupid, to the point where I don’t even need a study to tell me that it is stupid and useless.

Plexiglas sheets hanging in mid-air - as with the one-way entry/exit farce, no study is needed to see how brainless and useless it is.

COVID is a LIE. Possibly the biggest lie ever (well, Creepy Joe’s “win” is a close second). And all of the fools who believe the COVID lie, are going to believe the “new strain of COVID” lies, just as they have believed all of the other lies, because they are stupid, intellectually lazy, fearful, gutless, worthless sacks.

17 posted on 12/21/2020 5:41:51 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Public ‘health officials’ are ‘of their father, the devil’...


19 posted on 12/21/2020 5:46:42 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Kaslin
The authors even accounted for population density in their analysis, suggesting that it didn’t have an impact on the numbers because four of the 12 most populous counties in Florida never had a countywide order.

What does total population have to do with density? Is every county in FL the same size?

21 posted on 12/21/2020 5:49:08 AM PST by semimojo
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To: Kaslin

Yesterday here in South Carolina it was reported the CDC stated “Mask use and social distancing have made flu almost nonexistent. Covid is surging because people are not wearing masks and practicing social distancing.”


27 posted on 12/21/2020 6:14:45 AM PST by MissEdie (I am South Carolina Strong.)
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To: Kaslin

MOST of the time when masks are in use is when a person is having short random public encounters during the day with mostly uninfected or asymptomatic persons, and then mostly on the sidewalks, in largely open shopping venues, outdoor or limited-seating-indoor cafes, or as employees in such places, or at their other regular places of work.

But where do MOST new infections arise?

Most new infections arise with contact with (a) a person who is beginning to have symptoms, (B) in closed and close quarters, (c) with sustained contact for some period of time.

Masks do not do as suggested because they are not worn the one time when they are most necessary - small indoor close-quartered meeting with a close friend, associate or family member who is infected and who is starting to have symptoms (in other words, when their guard is down, and THAT, more than all other times is when the guard may have worked).

In a study of New York state virus-positive cases, looking for where most infectious contact occurred, involving many thousands of traced contacts over many months, 74% occurred in the home and the next largest percentage (8%) was in health-care related institutions including nursing homes.

In other words a bare 18% of infectious contacts occurred out where the regulations say people should be masked all the time.

100% public masking, out in the public has as much science to it as does quarantining the healthy instead of isolating the sick and vulnerable.

Instead of telling the mildly ill they should take their meds, go home and self-quarentine, they should be putting them up in dormitory style self-quarantine centers, away from their families and the general public - isolate the sick. Sending mildly ill persons home, to continue to mingle with their family and other house mates is likely part of the “surges”.

I know in one of our own families it was our nephew who got the bug, was sent home with medications, and within days his wife and two kids had it, even though he was self-isolating in one part of the house. Remember (a) close contact in closed quarters, (b) with an infected person with symptoms, C) over some sustained period of time - NOT random short term man-in-the-street public contact.

An early NY City study of the Covid-hospitalized found 66% were NOT among the “essential workers” allowed out in the public every day. That 66% was with folks who were just staying at home. Those out in the streets wearing masks against each other were NOT the biggest source of infections that hospitalized someone. No. Those told to mask 100% of the time out in public had mostly contact that is/was fleeting and usually not close contact and not closed quarters and not for a sustained time frame.


28 posted on 12/21/2020 6:53:45 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Kaslin; All
I live in rural Florida and have never worn a mask since this corona virus thing started.

But not because I think the corona virus is not real health danger or a risk. But as a former hospital administrator, charged with purchasing masks for the hospital medical personnel, I know that the masks people are wearing are to stop germs and bacteria from spreading, not viruses.

Doctors and nurses wear masks to stop the spread of germs and bacteria, living organisms that are large enough to be seen under a microscope. Big bugs, in other words.

But the masks are not and never were intended to prevent the spread of viruses, which are inert (dead) particles that are submicroscopic in size, much smaller than bacterial germs. So small, they require an electron microscope to see them.

The wearing of masks is simply cosmetic in nature and to give the public a sense of safety, when in fact this corona virus is so small that it can pass freely through the weave of the mask material easily. So the masks are more for placating the public than to protect them from the virus.

People have been convinced by so-called government medical "experts", that wearing the mask will protect them and others. Other people wear masks as a fashion statement but their utility is zero in stopping the virus. Many people wear masks to assuage their guilt for not following what the government tells them to do.

The CDC's own reporting reveals that 89% of all Covid-19 patients wore a mask all of the time or most of the time before being diagnosed. That means the masks are not protective against contracting the virus. Less people (11%) were diagnosed after not wearing the masks or wearing them very little, than those who wore them all or most of the time.

With a survivability rate of 99.9% for those under 70 year of age, not wearing a mask doesn't present much of a risk. The rate is still good at 94.6% for those over age 70, the highest risk age group.

So wearing masks is not a real solution. It is just a visual symbol that you are part of a group who believe the government propaganda.

30 posted on 12/21/2020 7:16:51 AM PST by HotHunt
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How 'bout this?

CDC Admits: No Conclusive Evidence Cloth Masks Work Against COVID 10/29/20

Or this?

CDC Admits "At No Time Has CDC Guidance Suggested that Masks Were Intended to Protect the Wearers" 10/14/20

Or this?

The CDC Accidentally Admits Cloth Masks Are Not Effective 9/10/20

That last one is of particular note. The CDC admits the virus is too small to be stopped by a cloth mask. Like using a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes.

31 posted on 12/21/2020 7:36:50 AM PST by upchuck (Executive Order 13848 will save the day. Pray for President Trump, his family and his advisors.)
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To: Kaslin

People who actually believe covering their face with a cloth will stop an airborn transmitted respiratory virus are morons, plain and simple. But they are also “true believers,” so arguing with them is a waste of time.

People who think they are probably useless but still wear them, to “go along,” are flat out cowards, and don’t deserve the limited freedoms we still have. They are worse than the morons. They are Mitt Romneys. I despise them.

Me, I don’t wear one, period. If they “insist” to get into a place, I put one on, take 10 steps, back turned, and pull it off. Rinse, repeat. I don’t argue, make faces, just passive agressive resistance. They get sick of it and leave me alone, no mask.

Everyone else should do the same, until it becomes obvious we will not comply.


37 posted on 12/21/2020 10:11:19 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (This is all a Soros funded communist insurrection! )
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