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Editorial: Teachers say remote learning is even less than it's cracked up to be
The Los Angeles Times via Yahoo ^ | December 18th, 2020 | The Times Editorial Board

Posted on 12/18/2020 10:04:40 AM PST by Mariner

Distance learning in Los Angeles schools is definitely working better than it did last spring, but that’s hardly a ringing endorsement. Generally speaking, remote classes are still an abysmal operation in which most students lose out, and the ones with the greatest need lose most.

That assessment comes not from school administrators or researchers but from the best source of all: L.A. teachers themselves, the people who are trying to transmit skills and knowledge while giving students some sense of normality in a world gone haywire. Their sentiments are especially noteworthy considering that their labor union, United Teachers Los Angeles, has been the organization most concerned about the dangers of returning to physical classrooms.

The survey was commissioned by USC’s Rossier School of Education as well as Educators for Excellence, a teacher-led, reform-oriented organization whose financial backers include groups that teachers unions find unsympathetic, such as the Broad Foundation. But the survey of 502 teachers in both district-run and charter schools is large and well designed, so it’s fair to assume that it accurately captured the wider views among teachers. It was conducted by a well-known polling firm.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: computerschool; distancelearning; failure
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My ex is a 5th grade teacher in Las Vegas.

She says the smart kids excel at remote learning. And it may be the ideal environment for them.

But the dumb ones crash hard, and they never had a chance anyway.

1 posted on 12/18/2020 10:04:40 AM PST by Mariner
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2 posted on 12/18/2020 10:07:49 AM PST by GOP Poet (Super cool you can change your tag line EVERYTIME you post!! :D. (Small things make me happy))
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I'm sure when the china virus dissipates we'll get loud calls to give billions to all the children who because of sexism and racism deserve compensation....

and throw in more money for the teachers because....well just because...

3 posted on 12/18/2020 10:09:39 AM PST by cherry (TRUMP WON!)
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“L.A. teachers themselves, the people who are trying to transmit skills and knowledge”

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LOL, if you’re talking about teachers from LA Unified, they’re the laziest clowns around. Transmit knowledge my behind..


4 posted on 12/18/2020 10:10:05 AM PST by max americana (fired liberal employees at every election since 2008 because I enjoy seeing them cry )
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You know the overall results are really bad when the majority of teachers are saying so on their own.
Open those schools back up now. The students need to learn better social skills if not much else. Allow parents to go back to what remains of their jobs now!


5 posted on 12/18/2020 10:10:31 AM PST by lee martell
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She says the smart kids excel at remote learning. And it may be the ideal environment for them.

I'm throwing the B.S. flag! My niece was forced into remote learning last spring and her grades went down to B's. This fall, she's transferred to a different school that is mostly on-site learning, and her grades are back to A's and A-'s.

For her, at least, the interaction with other students and the in-school competition is where she works best.

6 posted on 12/18/2020 10:11:15 AM PST by Ratman0823 (Q. What did California have before democrats? A. Electricity)
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Distance learning from the perspective of a 10th grader. Found on Twitter


7 posted on 12/18/2020 10:12:28 AM PST by Drew68
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bMostly remote learning is the result of teachers unions refusing to allow in person learning. Now they tell us it sucks. And worse kids like my own daughter are sinking into depression due to the forced isolation from other kids. Good work, union. You’r efforts to ruin generations of children has sped up 4x this year.


8 posted on 12/18/2020 10:14:36 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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A good friend of mine is a middle school teacher. She tells me that even the good kids (A and B students) aren’t logging in to these remote learning sessions.

Maybe it’s because mom and dad aren’t home - they are out working. So it’s PlayStation time for the kids. Or maybe the kids just don’t see the value in remote learning.

It’s a mess.


9 posted on 12/18/2020 10:18:02 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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My daughter-in-law teaches 3 college credit math classes and 2 regular.

They are “hybrid”, about 1/3 remote, 2/3 onsite.

Remote and onsite grades for the kids taking the college classes are equivalent.

But her regular classes...she said her remote kids are doing awful.

Good students will always find a way to excel.


10 posted on 12/18/2020 10:20:34 AM PST by Mrs.Z (Donald Trump... the guy who makes all the right people angry.)
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My career was as a public school teacher. I realize there are many who disparage the profession and possibly rightly so. If you cast your mind back, how many teachers do you remember who made a positive difference in your life? Likely you can count them on the fingers of one hand—with a finger or two left over.

“Remote learning” could never substitute for the great teachers, as rare as they are, in your life. Might work all right for all of the others. But, as you pointed out, the slower students get lost that way.

For what it’s worth, I’ve had ‘dumb’ kids who exceeded all expectations by not giving up and working hard to make the most of what they had when it came to brains.


11 posted on 12/18/2020 10:21:29 AM PST by hanamizu
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She says the smart kids excel at remote learning. And it may be the ideal environment for them.

A family I know has been homeschooling their 4 kids since the kids were born. There already has been available for quite a few years a range of on-line coursework for homeschool children and all kinds of independent learners. My friends use these courses, combined with local homeschool co-op groups and other resources for their children. The oldest son was just was admitted to MIT for electrical engineering, so you can’t argue with success.

Your wife is 100% correct. Kids with good parents and environments will succeed. Government bureaucrats and teachers unions will make outrageous false promises to the rest and fail them badly.

12 posted on 12/18/2020 10:25:56 AM PST by PGR88
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The smart kids are struggling too, if they are not cheating. My daughter is one.

The “dumb” ones include my senior son—who got a 4 and a 5 on two AP tests and a not-bad 1210 SAT (85% percentile), who can program in 3 languages (C++, Java, and Python), is a ranked chess player, and taught himself excellent piano without a single lesson (was even tipped playing jazz at a piano bar in New Orleans!). He got into 6 four year colleges with a declared BS Computer Science major.

This son is now getting 5 Fs and 2 Ds with “remote learning.” I’m withdrawing him from the district during the winter break, and will homeschool him to finish out his high school career.


13 posted on 12/18/2020 10:26:29 AM PST by olivia3boys
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Even if learning is accomplished, the kids are losing out completely with developing social interaction skills.

It's a damn shame the psychological abuse parents and government have heaped on America's children for the past year ... it is literally a year of childhood lost ... a tragedy of massive proportion.

14 posted on 12/18/2020 10:29:36 AM PST by glennaro (“I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.”)
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Zoom and other apps have mute functions so the bad eggs can't interfere with those who want to learn like they can in traditional classrooms.

If/when kids return to the classroom it would be nice if the teachers would remember this and be allowed to implement a similar mute function IRL with the support of the principals.

15 posted on 12/18/2020 10:46:43 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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LOL, if you’re talking about teachers from LA Unified, they’re the laziest clowns around.

I graduated 12th grade from the LA City School system in 1980. I was functionally illiterate and I graduated with honors. I had to teach myself everything after that.

16 posted on 12/18/2020 10:54:44 AM PST by usurper ( version )
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Working from home is also turning out to be a major fail.

Nearly every one of my group clinets want their employees back. Too hard to train and watch over. Mistakes and errors are through the roof and 10 times harder and longer time to correct.


17 posted on 12/18/2020 10:56:40 AM PST by setter
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I think this is the reason the smart kids are excelling in this environment.

Usually, the dumb kids sign on and “check out”.

The absence of disruption certainly recommends private school or home school. ESPECIALLY if your kid is gifted.

If your kid goes to a public school where there is a majority of minority students, their future is being stolen by the under 90 IQ types.


18 posted on 12/18/2020 11:03:48 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Do you REALLY think the teacher’s unions want remote learning to succeed?

The unions are all about increasing their numbers, so they can increase their revenues (dues) so they can pay their leadership more and bribe more politicians, so they can pay their membership more. It’s a vicious cycle.


19 posted on 12/18/2020 11:10:13 AM PST by Be Free (When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.)
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The unions are all about increasing their numbers, so they can increase their revenues (dues) so they can pay their leadership more and bribe more politicians, so they can pay their membership more. It’s a vicious cycle.

Yep, nothing about the KIDS in their mission statement.

20 posted on 12/18/2020 11:12:44 AM PST by 1Old Pro ( )
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