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Is Our Second Civil War -- also a 'Forever War'?
Townhall.com ^ | December 11, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 12/11/2020 6:20:19 AM PST by Kaslin

When the Electoral College meets Monday, it will almost surely certify former Vice President Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States. And he will take the oath of office Jan. 20.

There is, nationally, a growing if grudging realization of that reality.

Yet millions of Americans will refuse to accept the legitimacy of that election and its outcome and will continue to believe, with President Donald Trump, that it was "rigged."

"Was the 2020 election stolen by the establishment to get rid of a president, Donald Trump, whom it loathed?" will be debated decades hence -- as are questions such as, "Did FDR have advance knowledge the Japanese were going to attack?" and, "Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone in Dallas?"

That perception that something was afoot first arose in the minds of millions in the hours after the election on Nov. 3, when 83% of Republicans polled by Gallup said they did not believe reports of Trump's defeat.

Things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

And there was justification for that perception. Who was not stunned to learn that as Trump seemed to be pulling ahead in the voting count on Nov. 3, suddenly, around midnight, the vote counting appeared to stop in the crucial swing states, and we were told it would begin again early the next morning? Why the halt?

Again, things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

The Washington Post reports this week that, midway between Election Day and Inauguration Day, only 27 congressional Republicans would acknowledge Biden's win. Some 220 GOP members of the House and Senate -- 88% of Republicans serving in Congress -- would not say who won the election

And Trump continues to fight on, millions behind him, to persuade public officials in such battleground states as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada to withdraw their certifications.

He is said to be working the phones to get Republicans in Congress to reject the designation of Biden as president.

He has joined a suit by 17 states' attorneys general to have the Supreme Court accept Texas' argument that late alterations in the voting processes in four swing states be declared unconstitutional and illegal.

Among the more credible charges is that, due to the pandemic, late changes were made in the voting processes of states, especially with mailed-out and mailed-in ballots. The contention is that votes cast as a consequence of changes done contrary to state laws or constitutions should be thrown out. Most of those votes came from the urban precincts where Biden's margins were massive.

While some 50 lawsuits filed in Trump's cause may have been rejected in courts, the hourly allegations of fraud in the collection and counting of ballots have given credence to a generalized belief that Trump was cheated of votes he received and Biden received votes that were illicitly cast.

Where will this leave us Jan. 20?

American politics will be even more poisoned and polarized than it has been for the last four years. Tens of millions of Americans will see themselves as disfranchised and believe that the greatest champion they have had in decades was illegally driven from power by the same deep state-media conspiracy he fought for four years.

Reinforcing this perception is the sudden revelation this week that Biden's son Hunter is indeed the target of a federal tax investigation.

That is a story the mainstream media not only refused to cover but sought to bury. And it further buttresses a widespread belief that the mainstream media were in the tank for Biden and will use the power they have to fix the outcome of future American elections in favor of the establishment to which they belong.

For scores of millions of Americans, the mainstream media have lost any credibility and moral authority they once had.

The media have spent four years promoting the falsehood that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump conspired to steal the 2016 election, a charge for which the two-year Robert Mueller investigation could not find any substance at all. They championed the cause of impeachment of Trump over a single comment in a phone call to the president of Ukraine.

And all the while, they painted Trump as racist, sexist, homophobic and treasonous, and his followers as torch-carrying deplorables.

The hypocritical calls from the mainstream media today for us all to come together, after the atrocities they perpetrated, boggle the mind.

Amazing. And now that the Democrats appear to have captured the White House, the message is, "Can't we all just get along?"

What lies ahead?

Some see secession. But though secession is unlikely, a secession of the heart has already taken place in America. We are two nations, two peoples seemingly separated indefinitely. Can a nation so divided as ours, racially, ideologically, religiously, still do great things together, as did the America of days gone by, to the amazement of the world?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cwii; election2020; joebiden; trumpadministration
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To: Kaslin

We need a Constitutional Amendment specifically legalizing secession and setting up a procedure.


21 posted on 12/11/2020 6:58:50 AM PST by Little Ray (The Left and Right no longer have anything in common. A House divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Kaslin

This is much bigger than “everyone knows the Chicago Mob stole the election for Kennedy.”


22 posted on 12/11/2020 7:07:27 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Biden: Senile, pedophile, grifter, extortionist, thief.)
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To: Kaslin

Yes, it will be.


23 posted on 12/11/2020 7:10:04 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kaslin

Buchanan used to be absolutely brilliant, but has been getting more pedantic and annoying as the years pass.

He should quit trying to be Nostradamus, and at least wait till the electors actually vote. Might be a good idea also to see how SCOTUS does or does not rule on the case currently before it.


24 posted on 12/11/2020 7:11:32 AM PST by AFB-XYZ (Option 1 -- stand up. Option 2 -- bend over.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“You just repeat things that you are told are the truth in your little mind.”

Here’s another thing I was told is true: “. . . Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . .”

Surprisingly, quite a controversial belief, then and now.


25 posted on 12/11/2020 7:14:28 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: Tench_Coxe

A hot civil war may not be the shooting war we envision for such a conflict, yet. The divide is there. The separation from the MSM and misinformationists has begun. In time two separate platforms will guide the two parties concerned. Though we have the guns and the passion, things may progress in a direction unlike any warfare we have ever seen. Take over and the holding of bodies of government and legislatures, corporation headquarters, academia, etc. may confuse and stall the enemy into impotence. A stretching of first response services from hit and run incidences meant to stretch thin the response needed for a more potent and severe occurrence. Mass confusion of the MSM can cause panic and their own misinformation will flounder and discombobulated them drawing more sheepishly unaware citizens to our side further perplexing those who think they are in control. Actually this need not take years. This is new, never been seen before or envisioned warfare. We must think outside of the box. We have the brains, the numbers and equipment. The sharing of ideas and tactics over non social media internet domains (which has already started) will give us direction. We will need no central command or generals. We are the central command. The race is on.


26 posted on 12/11/2020 7:18:33 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: R0CK3T

I am afraid that this is indeed the only path.

“Only a War with actual consequences can alter their path and the future of our Country.”


27 posted on 12/11/2020 7:21:38 AM PST by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: jeffersondem

Exactly. Is the US a constitutional republic or a dictatorship? During the Civil War the Union had morale and recruitment problems due to the common belief that member states of a representative republic should be able to opt out -much like many republics of the Soviet Union did in the 90s.


28 posted on 12/11/2020 7:23:09 AM PST by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Justa

Many nations in history walked this very path. Remember Yugoslavia? Czechoslovakia? Poland has come and gone and returned and its borders flexed over time. The USSR no longer exists. Istanbul was Constantinople etc etc.

Maybe after 245 years, it’s our turn.


29 posted on 12/11/2020 7:30:37 AM PST by Tuxedo (@LOrzech on Parler)
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To: servantboy777
a large percentage of their party have moved so far to the left, they're not even in the park.

Joe Stalin would be envious of some of these rat 🐀 bastards.

30 posted on 12/11/2020 7:35:13 AM PST by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot. )
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To: Kaslin

I / we’ve tried the soap box, the ballot box and now we’re heading towards the jury box ( so to speak )
Only one box left........


31 posted on 12/11/2020 7:36:59 AM PST by magyars4 (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men!)
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To: Tench_Coxe

A hot civil war may not be the shooting war we envision for such a conflict, yet. The divide is there. The separation from the MSM and misinformationists has begun. In time two separate platforms will guide the two parties concerned. Though we have the guns and the passion, things may progress in a direction unlike any warfare we have ever seen. Take over and the holding of bodies of government and legislatures, corporation headquarters, academia, etc. may confuse and stall the enemy into impotence. A stretching of first response services from hit and run incidences meant to stretch thin the response needed for a more potent and severe occurrence. Mass confusion of the MSM can cause panic and their own misinformation will flounder and discombobulated them drawing more sheepishly unaware citizens to our side further perplexing those who think they are in control. Actually this need not take years. This is new, never been seen before or envisioned warfare. We must think outside of the box. We have the brains, the numbers and equipment. The sharing of ideas and tactics over non social media internet domains (which has already started) will give us direction. We will need no central command or generals. We are the central command. The race is on.


32 posted on 12/11/2020 7:37:32 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Tench_Coxe

A hot civil war may not be the shooting war we envision for such a conflict, yet. The divide is there. The separation from the MSM and misinformationists has begun. In time two separate platforms will guide the two parties concerned. Though we have the guns and the passion, things may progress in a direction unlike any warfare we have ever seen. Take over and the holding of bodies of government and legislatures, corporation headquarters, academia, etc. may confuse and stall the enemy into impotence. A stretching of first response services from hit and run incidences meant to stretch thin the response needed for a more potent and severe occurrence. Mass confusion of the MSM can cause panic and their own misinformation will flounder and discombobulated them drawing more sheepishly unaware citizens to our side further perplexing those who think they are in control. Actually this need not take years. This is new, never been seen before or envisioned warfare. We must think outside of the box. We have the brains, the numbers and equipment. The sharing of ideas and tactics over non social media internet domains (which has already started) will give us direction. We will need no central command or generals. We are the central command. The race is on.


33 posted on 12/11/2020 7:37:33 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Tench_Coxe

A hot civil war may not be the shooting war we envision for such a conflict, yet. The divide is there. The separation from the MSM and misinformationists has begun. In time two separate platforms will guide the two parties concerned. Though we have the guns and the passion, things may progress in a direction unlike any warfare we have ever seen. Take over and the holding of bodies of government and legislatures, corporation headquarters, academia, etc. may confuse and stall the enemy into impotence. A stretching of first response services from hit and run incidences meant to stretch thin the response needed for a more potent and severe occurrence. Mass confusion of the MSM can cause panic and their own misinformation will flounder and discombobulated them drawing more sheepishly unaware citizens to our side further perplexing those who think they are in control. Actually this need not take years. This is new, never been seen before or envisioned warfare. We must think outside of the box. We have the brains, the numbers and equipment. The sharing of ideas and tactics over non social media internet domains (which has already started) will give us direction. We will need no central command or generals. We are the central command. The race is on.


34 posted on 12/11/2020 7:41:10 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Tuxedo
Istanbul was Constantinople

Thanks a lot. Now I have that stupid song stuck in my head.

35 posted on 12/11/2020 7:44:32 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (We flattened the heck out of that curve, didn’t we?)
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To: Rainwave

Did you have a hiccup? 😁


36 posted on 12/11/2020 7:46:42 AM PST by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot. )
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hahaha!


37 posted on 12/11/2020 7:47:11 AM PST by Tuxedo (@LOrzech on Parler)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Thanks a lot. Now I have that stupid song stuck in my head.

Me too. It’s no one’s business but the Turks. 👎😩

38 posted on 12/11/2020 7:49:21 AM PST by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot. )
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To: Tench_Coxe

A hot civil war may not be the shooting war we envision for such a conflict, yet. The divide is there. The separation from the MSM and misinformationists has begun. In time two separate platforms will guide the two parties concerned. Though we have the guns and the passion, things may progress in a direction unlike any warfare we have ever seen. Take over and the holding of bodies of government and legislatures, corporation headquarters, academia, etc. may confuse and stall the enemy into impotence. A stretching of first response services from hit and run incidences meant to stretch thin the response needed for a more potent and severe occurrence. Mass confusion of the MSM can cause panic and their own misinformation will flounder and discombobulated them drawing more sheepishly unaware citizens to our side further perplexing those who think they are in control. Actually this need not take years. This is new, never been seen before or envisioned warfare. We must think outside of the box. We have the brains, the numbers and equipment. The sharing of ideas and tactics over non social media internet domains (which has already started) will give us direction. We will need no central command or generals. We are the central command. The race is on.


39 posted on 12/11/2020 7:50:08 AM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Jeff Chandler

By the way, I was in Turkey, while I was in the USAF. I thought it was the absolute armpit of the world. I think it was the worst assignment in the USAF. I hated Vietnam, but I think I hated Turkey even worse.


40 posted on 12/11/2020 7:53:05 AM PST by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot. )
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